Government bank holidays fiat???

luckat

Someone has just told me that the Government has decided to change the normal practice and *not* treat the Monday after a bank holiday as the bank holiday if the bank holiday itself falls on a Saturday or Sunday.

This year, Christmas Day is on a Saturday and Stephen's Day on a Sunday.

According to my friend, this means that instead of the normal practice that managements pay Bank Holiday rates for the Monday and Tuesday if people must work those days, the days will be paid at normal rate.

Is this so?

ixoy

Yes it is. Due to the confusion, there was a government statement to the point that because the holidays fall on Saturday and Sunday, it doesn't mean that anyone is entitled to a free holiday the next day or any special pay rate. However, they expect that - in keeping with the expected spirit - most companies will treat it as a holiday. They just don't have to.

ixoy

Here's some concrete info from the Employment Rights Information Unit (ERIU) of the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment url="http://www.entemp.ie/press/2004/20041202.htm"]link[/url:

The Employment Rights Information Unit (ERIU) of the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment would like to make clear the situation regarding the upcoming Christmas and New Year’s Day Public Holidays. The ERIU has received numerous calls in recent weeks and what has emerged is that there is a common misconception that as Christmas Day and St Stephens Day fall on a Saturday and Sunday this year that the Public Holidays are automatically carried over to the following Monday and Tuesday.

This is definitely not the case.

Saturday December 25th (Christmas Day) and Sunday December 26th (St. Stephens Day) are in fact the Public Holidays. The same situation exists with respect to New Year’s Day which also falls on a Saturday (1st January 2005).

Employers may however decide at their own discretion to close on the Monday (December 27th) and Tuesday (December 28th) as one of the entitlement options for Public Holidays is a paid day off within a month of the public holiday (see below for breakdown of entitlements).

luckat

I know of one company anyway that is meanly refusing to pay its workers extra for work on those days.

Lump

Why would they, business is business.


John

mad m

Lump wrote:

Why would they, business is business.


John

Jesus your all heart there john

therecklessone

luckat wrote:

I know of one company anyway that is meanly refusing to pay its workers extra for work on those days.

Sounds like their staff could do with a Trade Union...

Lump

Indeed I am all heart. If you have a problem... get a different job, join a union, or take the days off.


John

jd

Entitlements of employees in respect of a public holiday

In respect of a public holiday an employee is entitled to whichever of the following his/her employer determines:

1. a paid day off on that day
2. a paid day off within a month of that day
3. an additional day of paid annual leave
4. an additional day’s pay.

If a public holiday falls on a day on which the employee would normally be entitled to a day off then his/her entitlement for that public holiday would be one of the options (b), (c) or (d) above.

If, following a request from an employee, no later than 21 days before the public holiday, an employer does not nominate one of the options above 14 days before the public holiday, the employee will automatically be entitled to a paid day off on the day of the public holiday or if he is normally off on that day to an additional day’s pay.



Pay for a Public Holiday

Where the public holiday falls on a day on which the employee normally works, the employee is entitled to a day’s pay for the public holiday.

Where the public holiday falls on a day on which the employee does not normally work, the employee is entitled to one fifth of his/her normal weekly wage for the public holiday.

Where the employee is required to work on the public holiday, the employee is entitled to one of the options (b), (c) or (d) above...







My italic-bold

samo

jd wrote:

Where the public holiday falls on a day on which the employee normally works, the employee is entitled to a day’s pay for the public holiday.

Where the public holiday falls on a day on which the employee does not normally work, the employee is entitled to one fifth of his/her normal weekly wage for the public holiday.

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Do you know what source that info came from, as having major dispute with my employer over this and does it apply to part time workers??

Bascially i'm part time and my rostered days fall on Dec 25th/Dec26th - because the office is closed they dont want to pay for me those days but are willing to pay me 1/5 for the mon and tues?? I think they are wrong so would appreciate any info or source you have on this!!

mad m

Lump wrote:

Indeed I am all heart. If you have a problem... get a different job, join a union, or take the days off.


John

i havent a problem,im in a union,plus i like my job.also im getting my days off that im entitled but i can see by your attitude that if you were an employer that business is just business....

steveland?

My bleedin' job barely give you time let alone time and a half/double time... wages are always wrong...

They've never given anyone double pay or anything over the measly crap they pay us anyway...

Stupid bar work!

luckat

I always love that "get another job" line. How pleasant it is that we can just walk out and straight into another job with better conditions. What a wonderful world. Whoopee!

bonkey

mad m wrote:

also im getting my days off that im entitled but i can see by your attitude that if you were an employer that business is just business....

I find it funny you should put it that way....

"His attitude" struck me as being that they are days you are not entitled to, so there would be nothing wrong with a business deciding not to give them to you. Saying that you get all the days you're entitled to doesn't really address the issue. Saying whether or not you'd have a problem losing the days that you're given, but not actually entitled to......that would seem to be more relevant, no?

The system over here is set up very much like what is being described here - holidays don't carry. As a salaried worker, If public holidays fall on days that I normally work....then I get them off. If public holidays fall on days that I normally don't work, then I get nothing as I already have the day off. Most companies, from what I can see, work that way over here. They're not obliged to offer anything more, so they don't.

jc

PH01

FIAT?

krinpit

therecklessone wrote:

Sounds like their staff could do with a Trade Union...

I think Trade Unions are a cancer on capitalism. They were appropriate back in 1913 when workers' conditions were appalling, but they don't have relevance in modern society. They often choke businesses to death with their demarcation and acceptable practice nonsense. I'm not really citing the members of these organizations, I'm really questioning the ideals and motives of the organizers of SIPTU, INTO, CWU etc...

In this instance (Public Holidays), if you are being badly treated in a job, take them to court. If they stigmatize you for it, take them to court again. You have rights. You don't need a Trade Union to do it for you. You just don't.

jd

samo wrote:

Do you know what source that info came from, as having major dispute with my employer over this and does it apply to part time workers??

Bascially i'm part time and my rostered days fall on Dec 25th/Dec26th - because the office is closed they dont want to pay for me those days but are willing to pay me 1/5 for the mon and tues?? I think they are wrong so would appreciate any info or source you have on this!!

here
http://www.entemp.ie/press/2004/20041202.htm

read the whole thing..

samo

nice one appreciate the info!

sceptre

PH01 wrote:

FIAT?

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=fiat

Also refers to governments that can't be trusted on their own without chuggling along when you're not looking, cutting out totally or losing complete control of themselves. You know, like the car. Governments rust too.

jd

krinpit wrote:

In this instance (Public Holidays), if you are being badly treated in a job, take them to court. If they stigmatize you for it, take them to court again. You have rights. You don't need a Trade Union to do it for you. You just don't.

How much would a court case cost for the average joe soap? And I see nothing wrong with making sure that "acceptable practices" are followed in a company.