SGA, Season 1, Episode 15: Before I Sleep [Spoilers]

User45701

im looking forward to this 1 should be quite good.
fro mthe sound of it its leading up twards a big ending cant wait

Ivan

Ok

User45701 wrote:

im looking forward to this 1 should be quite good.
fro mthe sound of it its leading up twards a big ending cant wait

Seriously, stop that!

Ivan

Ok

I gave it Ok.
Simply because while it explains some plot questions and opens the door for some new exciting stuff, there is a big gaping plot hole that goes against the set standard for the Stargate Universe.

ixoy

Ok

Ivan wrote:

I gave it Ok.
Simply because while it explains some plot questions and opens the door for some new exciting stuff, there is a big gaping plot hole that goes against the set standard for the Stargate Universe.

Actually, you rated it good

It was a nice way of tying stuff up and helping to explain how the city still had power when they arrived, etc. It mostly fitted in although I don't understand why neither Weir, nor McKay, mentioned SG1's time travel excursions especially since Weir was briefed on everything - is that the gaping plot hole you're referring to Ivan?

Ivan

Ok

ixoy wrote:

Actually, you rated it good

It was a nice way of tying stuff up and helping to explain how the city still had power when they arrived, etc. It mostly fitted in although I don't understand why neither Weir, nor McKay, mentioned SG1's time travel excursions especially since Weir was briefed on everything - is that the gaping plot hole you're referring to Ivan?

Damn, meant to vote OK.
Freudian slip, I guess.

I was thinking more along the lines of the episode 1969, but specifically how Hammonds actions were predetermined by the future that they live in.

Hence, time is linear and actions while time travelling do not result in changing the future, they merely complete it.

I take this as a precedent that the Universe that stargate is set in, is subject to linear time flow and is not multidimensional.

i.e. big gaping plot hole.

Another interesting point, noticed by my fellow viewer was how Atlantis is one giant, floating plot device.

Since it is the size of Manhatten it could be forever before they explore all of the rooms.
Speaking of which, wtf happened with the giant satellite that was orbiting a planet in Atlantis' solar system?

Oh, and at last we have proof that Atlanteans were more powerful than the wraith, but were simply outnumbered.
And did I hear someone say:

Atlanteans sent a delegation protected by their most powerful warships.

Think that puts that to rest.

User45701

Ok

ye it probbley was i thought this was a good episode im betting that only 1 of the 4 ZPM is still operational because earths ZPM wasent still working and Taulanaus was but that was only enough for a few short seconds of anchient weapon power

what i dont underrstand is that a single anchient sweapon can destroy a wraith dart a ZPM powerd weapon in just 30 seconds can shoot over 5000 shots thats gota be enough to take out a wraith hive ship

I did like the story but god can h imagine a 10000 year old womman how seniel would she be

ixoy

Ok

Ivan wrote:

I was thinking more along the lines of the episode 1969, but specifically how hammonds actions are predetermined by the future that they live in.

Hence, time is linear and actions while time travelling do not result in changing the future, they merely complete it.

I take this as a precedent that the Universe that stargate is set in, is subject to linear time flow and is not multidimensional.

Ah but the future of '2010' was diverted - the Aschen never got us - thus showing that time is not immutable and that alternate timelines can exist. Recall that for '2001' to occur then '2010' had to occur but, since '2010' was phased out, it means that alternate timelines can intersect as per this episode.

Also, the parallel universe, based on different decisions made, has been explored since Season 1's "There But For The Grace of God". Now in that version you needed a different device to step between alternate timelines, but this episode merely sets up the point at which they branch.

I think we can reconcile it all

Ivan

Ok

You're right, tbh.
Having considered it further the show is just vague enough that they can get away with it.

It does work out and I'm glad for it

mr_angry

Ok

Technically, both explanations of time-travel can be reconciled. Rodney's description of quantum theory and the multiverse was pretty accurate - as soon as you go back in time, it is virtually certian that the quantum state (decisions) in the universe will start differing from your original universe, hence history changing.

However, in the case of "1967", the chances of SG-1 encountering a quantum state change large enough to impact their small group in their small time-frame in '67 is relatively unlikely.

I hope that has adequately confused everybody.

JohnK

Wasn't it 1969?

mr_angry

Ok

Sorry, '69. :rolleyes: