Nothing Else Matters - S&M... What was the point?

Karl Hungus

This was an arguement I had with a friend of mine the other day...

I said the that whole idea of S&M was to update the songs with an orchestra, and add something to them.
My point being that nothing else matters already had an orchestra when it was first recorded.

Having this song on S&M seemed a bit pointless to me, as the orchestra added nothing to it.

What are your thoughts?

Dont be at yourself

From memory I couldn't tell there was a difference but after listening to both the S&M version is far more orchestral...

The original didn't employ as many instruments as far as I can tell, the s&m version had violins etc going pretty much constantly. And the san francisco orchestra do make it sound nice and spiffy

As to why they'd do it if there was little noticable difference, perhaps it was that song that inspired the s&m idea. Or maybe they felt that they couldn't leave it out as it was written with an orchestra in mind and felt it could be improved with a world class orchestra.

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Kali

I'd have an argument as to whats the point of the album in the first place...
metallica with a few violins in the background. its bloody hilarious, electric guitars rocking away and a barely audible orchestra in the background.
quite possibly the funniest attempt at a serious record I've ever heard.

boddah

Kali, many, many people would disagree with you. Sure, the orchestra was drowned out for some of the heavier parts, but what about gems such as Nothing Else Matters, no leaf clover and -human, which were written with the orchestra in mind?
those are some damn beautiful songs....

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Durty auld MORRIS drums...
they're fu*kin' great!!

gandalf

Get the DVD you can listen to the isolated orchestral track (and obviously watch the nice piccies) and very nice it is too

Gandalf.

boddah

yeah, this pub i go to in limerick is always playin s&m on the big screen. sound is turned off tho, dont know why....

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Durty auld MORRIS drums...
they're fu*kin' great!!

StarScream

in gettin back to the original point....
it was a concert and ppl wanted to hear it ...it would have been funny if metallica had said "well were not gonna play it cause it already had an orchestra" no actually it wouldnt be funny id be quite ****ed

GreenHell

Ah well I never bought s&m but I have some mp3's from the concert where the orchastra sounds pretty good ... same song tho..

Karl Hungus

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by StarScream:
in gettin back to the original point....
it was a concert and ppl wanted to hear it ...it would have been funny if metallica had said "well were not gonna play it cause it already had an orchestra" no actually it wouldnt be funny id be quite ****ed</font>

Who says they had to say a thing?
They had many songs that were much better.
And don't you think that, say, Fade To Black or Welcome Home (Sanitarium) would have benefited more from the orchestra, and gone down just as well?

--Kaiser--

Fade to Black would definately been brilliant had it been played with an orchetra on S&M, i can't believe they left it out