Showing you hand before calling?

Obscure

Was wondering has anyone seen this done in the fitz? Is it allowed? Its from Doyle Brunson's Super System.

Just you and possibly one other opponent. You have AA in your hand, the deck shows a set, so you've got best full-house. Your afraid that your opponent may have made a poker. Your opponent goes-all in after the river. You lay your AA face-up on the table and look for a reaction from your opponent. You decide after that on whether to see his bet.

Are you allowed to show your cards when there is still betting (ok, your the only one betting but still)? This could cause confusion on the table. Your opponent could assume you folded and show his cards or muck them etc... Has anyone done this in cash/tourament play?

careca

Interesting alright. I would imagine its not in the spirit of the game. I would love to see the reaction of Jim or some of the other regulars in the Fitz if you tried that. You might win the pot but by jesus you'd know about it for a while. Personally I would never use it, most probably because I still wouldn't be able to read someone after exposing my AA.

mewso

As far as I know you would have to state that you have not folded before turning the cards and ask if that is ok with the table, which it may well not be. If you turn your cards over without saying anything players have a right to say you have folded. I am not certain but I think this is the case.

Davey Devil

I think the rule in the Fitz is your hand is dead if you turn it over like that. I'm sure Marq knows the rule. Marq?

JuliusFranco

i've seen to done once buy a fella in the free roll tournie, he flipped over his hand and wondered aloud if he should call or not..

Marq

To my knowledge: Exposing your hand to gauge the reaction of the other player is unethical, and in most cases, the hand should be declared dead. I have seen it happen that a player has asked if there are any objections to him turning over his hand, and they have been allowed, but AFAIK it is not allowed.

Obscure

Some ppl think check-raising is un-ethical! And some ppl seem to have a problem with raising when a player is all-in during knock-out stages of tournment!

If the likes of Brunson is doing this then you'd guess it must acceptable among professionals! And if pros can do it, why cant beginners?

BigDragon

The year Russ Hamilton won WSOP (93?/94?) the guy he was heads up against (cant remember name) did this and after about 5 minutes of looking at Hamilton decided to fold.

Gotta be house rules I'd say.

A bit like over betting the pot in pot-limit!!

henbane

Obscure wrote:

If the likes of Brunson is doing this then you'd guess it must acceptable among professionals! And if pros can do it, why cant beginners?

You can do it all you want but if you do it in the fitz without asking the other player, your cards will be dead. House rules in the fitz as I've heard them are that cards are dead if this is done. Don't know if that's official but I've seen people ask the table and be told it's a fold unless the table says it's ok to do it.

Lafortezza

Anyone who did that at a table in the Fitz would be asking for a barrage of abuse. It angle-shooting and unethical.

Obscure

lafortezza wrote:

Anyone who did that at a table in the Fitz would be asking for a barrage of abuse. It angle-shooting and unethical.

Yeah against the rules in fitz by the looks of it. Dont see how its "unethical" though. Unless you did it hoping that your opponent would muck their cards or start talking about their hand.

Lafortezza

I see it in the same light as a string bet (if it was allowed). You're doing something outside the bounds of 'sportsmanship' in the game to gain an advantage.

Its like asking a new and nervous player, 'do you want a caller?', 'how happy are you with your hand?', its looking for an unfair advantage.

evillive

it should be down to house rules, i've seen it done in the states,

i wouldnt have a problem with someone doing it to me, some one with the nuts wont do it
so if you are good enough you should give a weak tell when your opponent does this to get his chips if you have a better hand
and try to give some banter back if you are behind to try to make him fold

personally i dont think i would do it because i have enough problems trying to evaluate my own hand when playing
if i did i think i would tell the other player first 1. as a matter of courtesy and 2. its another chance to check for a strong/weak tell

hold 'em is a lot about tells and bluffing, if someone tries this take it in your stride, it should be part of your learning process, if you want to be wsop champ someday you'll have to deal with bigger problems than this