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EU Chat Control being pushed again

  • 01-10-2025 09:48PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭


    I have yet to to speak to anyone that thinks that this is a good idea. I have spoken to people who have never heard of it, don't understand it or find it absurd when they do. But not one person who thinks this is in any form a good idea. This latest version comes from Denmark and imo is the worst and most invasive of all.

    This is due to be voted on the 14th of this month, so is right around the corner. Is there anyone on boards that thinks this is a good idea?

    The dangers of this (again - IMHO) far outweigh anything that this crazy proposal is attempting to protect. What happened to GDPR and we must all protect our privacy at all costs online?

    It is almost as though the EU council has seen the massive profits that the big techs are making from our data, and want to somehow own a piece. They propose to break end to end encryption leaving our data very vulnerable to all sorts. Israel illegally already using software that can access anybody's data, and the EU proposal would make it even easier for them. Israel has made a point of letting the world know what they can do with access to some apps and Netanyahu even stating that he uses social media as a weapon, that would be amplified thousands of times with access to everything. Information gathered from Smart devices coupled with other private information (doctors, finances, videos, photographs, texts) could determine everything from insurance payouts to mortgages and everything in between and beyond.

    To anyone that is not yet aware of the dangers of chat control, here are some good links and information

    Chat Control: The EU's CSAM scanner proposal

    Chat Control is back on the menu in the Menu in the EU. It still must be stopped

    Chat Control: What is actually going on?

    Europa.eu - Explanatory Memorandum

    Petition by EDRi - stop scanning me - "As soon as our petition reaches a critical threshold, we will deliver it to decision lawmakers as we did in the past."

    FightChatControl.EU - This tool provides an editable template for you to easily contact your local representatives in Europe

    It is a ludicrous, absurd and dangerous proposal in my opinion among other things, and I urge everyone to share links and contact the correct people before the 14th of October.



Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,360 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Fck the EU

    They can’t touch me for that comment today as law not passed yet - hahahahaha🤪



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,403 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    By introducing an obligation for providers to detect, report, block and remove child sexual abuse material from their services, the proposal enables improved detection, investigation and prosecution of offences under the Child Sexual Abuse Directive. The proposed legislation complements the new European Strategy for a Better Internet for Children 14 , which aims to create safe digital experiences for children and to promote digital empowerment. 

    So you think everyone should be free to distribute child pornography?

    Funny how your post goes off on a weird capitalist Israeli tangent but doesn't mention at all that this is a regulation laying down rules to prevent and combat child sexual abuse - that's the actual title of the discussion document. It's almost as if your reposting sh1te you've heard elsewhere but haven't bothered to actually read the proposal yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭Mike Murdock


    The good old EU.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,484 ✭✭✭joseywhales


    I laughed but still a bit selective, the EU could also have civil liberties, democratic power, human rights, quality of life, food regulations, social safety net



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭Enter Username Here


    So you think everyone should be free to distribute child pornography?

    No I naively thought that people might bother to read at least two of the links I posted, as they explained it better than I would.

    Most of the links explain clearly why it is a terrible attempt at preventing that and also why it is equally not a good protection for them.

    I mentioned in OP

    The dangers of this (again - IMHO) far outweigh anything that this crazy proposal is attempting to protect. What happened to GDPR and we must all protect our privacy at all costs online?

    I also asked for your opinion among others, of which it seems you like to sit on the fence judging by your post not actually mentioning any opinion.

    Funny how your post goes off on a weird capitalist Israeli tangent but doesn't mention at all that this is a regulation laying down rules to prevent and combat child sexual abuse - that's the actual title of the discussion document. It's almost as if your reposting sh1te you've heard elsewhere but haven't bothered to actually read the proposal yourself.

    Yes, hilarious, and ironic. Seeing as you obviously read nothing.

    A 'weird capitalist Israeli tangent'? I purposely chose her article (that you didn't read) so as to not mention that it has been sold/contracted to ICE to use as a tool to round up and arrest immigrants - Paragon profiting from it. I was purely pointing out that such a tool exists.

    To paraphrase: It's almost as if that you're reposting sh1te you've heard elsewhere but literally haven't bothered to actually read the proposal alternatives that were posted.

    Any plans to tell us what side of the fence you fall on when it comes to this proposal?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    Oireachtas Justice Committee expressing concerns. Also Irish Council for Civil Liberties opposed.

    The problem with this bill is that it doesn't limit itself to combatting child abuse material. I would support this law if that's all it was doing.

    The bill also allows new crimes to be added in the future. Who knows what they will be? Maybe going on a Gaza protest? Maybe being a political dissident? I read that things that aren't even illegal could be added in future.

    What the bill proposed is that ALL messages be screened, regardless of whether or not they have CSAR material. It does not require innocent communications to be destroyed to protect privacy. This is Big Brother. It will lead to law abiding citizens having their private Communications read by the State. This will open the door to political persecution of dissidents, in countries like Hungary. It could lead to the spread of authoritarianism in the West.

    Imagine how Cromwell, Hitler and Stalin would have used these powers.

    This is about allowing politicians to read all your emails, listen to all your phone calls. Surely this goes far beyond what is necessary? This is the death of privacy.

    Also, who will have custody of the stored personal data? Will they be allowed to sell it to advertisers, insurance companies etc.? What is the real agenda?

    In societies that are homophobic, this law could lead to people being outed. If a political or business rival is having an affair, this could be used to blackmail them, like J Edgar Hoover's FBI tried to do to Martin Luther King.

    I propose the bill be changed as follows:

    - Messages with no illegal content should not be retained by the authorities.

    - Surveillance should require a warrant, approved by a judge.

    The German Justice Ministry has criticised the proposal for intrusion on privacy of law abiding citizens.

    Post edited by Ozymandius2011 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Its always 'won't somebody think of the children'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,658 ✭✭✭francois


    Snowden's PRISM revelations seem to suggest vast amounts of data is being hoovered up indiscriminately already



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭BP_RS3813


    Whilst probably true, there is a difference between actively searching/sniffing messages for an item versus just picking it up randomly out of a pile of massive data being collected together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭machiavellianme


    Let them at it. I'm sure my own data will confuse the AI bots when they realise just how boring one person's data is!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,328 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    Having emailed all our MEPs on this i can say its incredibly depressing how uninformed and technologically illiterate our MEPs are on this and to a person they all copy/pasted back the EXACT same text and talking points about protecting children.

    Regina Doherty being the most egregious example says she understands how important end to end encryption is but then tried to claim it doesn't undermine end to end encryption as the scanning and detection occurs "pre-encryption" indicating she hasn't a fvcking notion what end to end encryption actually is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭Ozymandius2011


    This is going to be very bad for undercover journalists in countries like Hungary. We already know that Israel's Pegasus software was used to spy on journalists. If they can't use end-to-end encryption, sources will be afraid to come forward.

    I have read some of the directive. There is some difference between the European Parliaments preferred version and the Council version. The EP version has some safeguards including protecting end to end encryption, and judicial oversight. The EP doesnt have the power to initiate legislation, but they can block this and amendment it under the co-decision procedure.

    The directive seems to exclude judges for oversight. It creates a body called the "EU Centre" and it will decide.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,370 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Exactly. It's the greatest bad faith argument one could hope for. If anyone criticises you, all you need do is say that they don't care about children or support predators. You'll often find that said people are more than happy to defend genocide, Trump, etc which demonstrates nicely that this is about authoritarianism and righteous crusading than fixing anything.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 653 ✭✭✭Marcos


    It's nice to see people who disagree with each other on this matter. One major red flag for me is the fact that politicians are specifically exempted from this. Shameless, totally shameless.

    When most of us say "social justice" we mean equality under the law opposition to prejudice, discrimination and equal opportunities for all. When Social Justice Activists say "social justice" they mean an emphasis on group identity over the rights of the individual, a rejection of social liberalism, and the assumption that unequal outcomes are always evidence of structural inequalities.

    Andrew Doyle, The New Puritans.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,370 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Anyway, it looks like Oracle is the most likely company for this to be outsourced to. Palantir, Peter Thiel's company, have announced that they won't be involved, thankfully.

    https://www.theregister.com/2023/09/05/birmingham_city_council_oracle/

    Birmingham City Council, the largest local authority in Europe, has declared itself in financial distress after troubled Oracle project costs ballooned from £20 million to around £100 million ($125.5 million).

    Contributing to the publication of a legal Section 114 Notice, which says the £3.4 billion ($4.3 billion) revenue organization is unable to balance the books, is a bill of up to £760 million ($954 million) to settle equal pay claims.

    In a statement today, councillors John Cotton and Sharon Thompson, leader and deputy leader respectively, said the authority was also hit by financial stress owing to issues with the implementation of its Oracle IT system.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,802 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    The outsourcing is particularly terrifying. Honestly just very murky territory and pretty much anyone with any technological competence will work out ways to bypass such things.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Anyway, it looks like Oracle is the most likely company for this to be outsourced to.

    The outsourcing is particularly terrifying.

    Who’s outsourcing what to whom lads? Whatever EU regulations are imposed will be enforced on service providers in any case, not individuals.

    It’s somewhat similar to legislation which exists already, the only real sticking point seems to be over end-to-end encryption. Actually now I’m reminded of it, I see the UK Home Office are looking to take a second bite at Apple -

    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c740r0m4mzjo.amp


    The UK aren’t part of the EU, but the same principle applies.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 43,370 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Friends of the governing party of course. Oracle CEO and Tony Blair are quite close. The UK left the EU and both the Tories and Reform UK want out of the ECHR to boot so those pesky human rights will be much less of an issue going forward.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 540 ✭✭✭BagofWeed


    If the supporters of this ever increasingly dictatorial EU people really cared about children then they would be asking questions and demanding action on Judge Martin Nolan as well as questioning the difference in the actions of AGS as opposed to the various UK police forces when online paedophile hunters snare perverts with recorded online evidence.

    The chat control is just a way for the political elite made up of arms sellers, corporate conglomerate interests and to have information on who is a threat or challenge to the system, want more housing crisis's, wars, destabilisation of nations on Europe's borders, higher energy costs, less public investment then go ahead and clap and cheer for this bill.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,180 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    I was wondering alright, that's more related to the Digital IDs though -

    Starmer justified the new identity scheme, which his government had ruled out a year ago when it was proposed by former prime minister Tony Blair's institute, as part of tackling unauthorized immigration.

    Those pesky human rights though are definitely going to be much less of an issue going forward if Starmer's plans to reform the NHS are anything to go by with the introduction of 'digital hospitals' on the NHS app (much more likely to be outsourced to Oracle directly than a third-party services provider providing support for Oracle products and services) -

    The government will make the single patient record possible through new legislation that places a duty on every health and care provider to make the information they record about a patient available in the single patient record. 

    We will also legislate to give patients access to their record by default. From 2028, patients will be able to view it securely on the NHS App. Over time, that data will include not only medical records, but a personalised account of health risk, drawing from lifestyle, demographic and genomic data - helping catch problems early before they develop, and prevent people from poor health.

    A My Health tool will include real-time data from wearables, biometric sensors or smart devices and will connect to relevant NHS data too - whether that is the results of recent tests at home or in a neighbourhood health centre. Wearables will be able to feed vital data into the app such as step count, heart rate and sleep quality, to provide tailored, personal health advice. The single patient record will have robust security controls.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/managing-healthcare-easy-as-online-banking-with-revamped-nhs-app

    It's as though it were life imitating art -

    The Doctor quickly learns that this hospital is run in a strict manner by a computer called the Allocator, which regulates doses of medicine to patients based on a Treatment Coefficient (TC) value assigned each patient. He is told that TC is based on a complex formula that reflects the patient's perceived value to society, rather than medical need.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_Care_%28Star_Trek%3A_Voyager%29

    The real fun of course will start when legislation is passed to allow US-owned companies to send the personal data of millions of users in the UK back to their parent companies in the US -

    https://www.theregister.com/2025/09/23/oracle_gets_to_store_us/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 188 ✭✭Enter Username Here


    What a difference 5 years makes.

    "EU Commission orders staff to switch to Signal messaging app for Safety and Security" Published 5 years ago.

    Vs. today.

    https://www.bluewin.ch/en/news/signal-app-boss-threatens-to-withdraw-from-europe-2897197.html

    Whittaker said Signal would never undermine the integrity of its end-to-end encryption. "It guarantees the privacy of millions and millions of people around the world, often in life-threatening situations." This is why Signal rejects chat control. "It's unfortunate that politicians continue to fall prey to a kind of magical thinking that assumes you can create a backdoor that only the good guys can access."



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