Rolex

porker36

Morning All

A friend of a friend came across this Daytona plus an oyster, watch was in amongst a lot of other bits and pieces that were heading to a skip, I’ve no idea if it’s just a replica etc, I was sent this picture this morning, what do the Rolex experts think

Lorddrakul

The picture is poor quality, TBH.

You need need a decent detailed picture of the dial and case to make a reasonable judgement.

If it is genuine, it has had a hard life judging by the bracelet state and clasp.

The sub dials look correct, which is a start, but the sub dial rings look a little off. But as I said, without a detailed picture of the dial face on, its hard to tell.

Also, the fact that the bezel has turned from fixed position is a concern.

Have a look on the back. On this model, it should be a brushed finish with no inscription.

See if you can get some better pictures and someone on here should be able to tell. A movement picture with the back off would be definitive.

H_Lime

I've regularly seen people throw out some stuff that boggles the mind. On ocassion I've interviened/dove in skips after it, but somehow I doubt that rolex is a rolex:)

More pics for a giggle plz!

Just for instance, some of the stuff I've rescued or tipped other off to over the years. Actual antique furniture, working German ww2 Binos/brass telescope on stands, a complete and original singer sewing machine with cast stand in perfect order, signed framed large oil painting by Irish artist of note, African ivory and Gabon ebony chess set, writing bureau.

The saddest was an old gents complete horde of MZ motorcycle spares including a partially complete nut and bolt resto. He dies and the vultures I mean relatives just wanted the house empty to sell. I knew the man he'd have been heartbroken.

porker36

Ill see if i can get better pictures, i don't know the guy that has it

banie01

Not a Rolex expert, indeed far from one but to my eye, based on a poor quality photo. It's not kosher, the sub dial rings are to my eye for too wide. The font on the dial also seems off to me as does the general state of the bracelet.

scwazrh

I’m no expert either and even I know that’s fake.

porker36

I was sent these, best I’m going to get I think, general view so is fake 🙈 I was told some chap offered €5,000 for it,

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123779105#Comment_123779105

The Daytona is 100% a fake, the engraved case back is the nail in the coffin on that one and the case shape itself is wrong.

The datejust is fake too and the photos are still awful. Pixelated and with no scope to zoom in on the details. Bezel, dial and magnification are all wrong. The engravings on the clasp, so far as can be judged from again really poor photos with no zoom or detail available, are off versus the real thing.

Poor photos taken with a potato are always a tell tale as to the seller trying to obfuscate details as is bollox such as "I was offered 5k for it" which given it's a €25k watch is just an effort to make a buyer feel like they are getting a "deal" from someone who doesn't know what they have.
Even 10year old smart phones are capable of far better photos than the owner has shared with you. A Parkinson's patient with a Nokia n95 would take better photos than the owner of these 2 has shared with you. When the potential value of what they have, if real is €30k +, it speaks as to some motivation as to a reason that photos aren't actually better.

porker36

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123779272#Comment_123779272

From what I'm told the guy is in his 80s so will give him a bit of slack on his photography skills😊 he just sent the picture to my mate as someone else spotted them said they could be worth something, we wasn't trying to sell to anyone as genuine

PS he didn't share with me I've no idea who the guy was, I'm just been sent from a friend, just thought id stick them up see what people thought

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123779296#Comment_123779296

If he's been offered €5k for one of them? He should snap the arm off whoever is offering it.

Something I just noticed, the green sticker on the back of the datejust. Looks like the factory ID stickers for fake factories. Rolex don't put coloured stickers on the back of their watches. They ship with clear plastic tape.

Strike thru as Schwarz has given correction below.

Whereas the fake factories use coloured and labelled stickers to ID themselves to sellers.

scwazrh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123779317#Comment_123779317

That case back green sticker is correct , obviously a fake version but very similar to genuine.As is the jubilee bracelet clasp.Datewheel and bezel are the biggest give away.

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123779782#Comment_123779782

I stand corrected on the sticker then, thanks. Always something to learn.
The engravings, from what little comparative value the photos offer still strike me as off. I'm basing that on the "Geneva" and "swiss made" being less than sharp. I appreciate that could be an artifact of the potato cam but it just jars for me.

Deep Thought

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123779272#Comment_123779272

I loved the N95

Lorddrakul

Indeed, as I said earlier, the inscribed case back on the Daytona is the tin hat on it.

A fake.

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123780035#Comment_123780035

I still have mine in a drawer, and an N-gage too for my bloody sins 😉

giuseppinarinaldi

Those extra pics make it pretty clear unfortunately — both the Daytona and the Datejust are fakes. The engraved caseback on the Daytona is the giveaway, Rolex never did them that way, and the overall case shape looks wrong. On the Datejust, the bezel, date wheel, and magnification are all off, and the bracelet/clasp details don’t match up either.

I’d say whoever offered €5k for it either didn’t know what they were looking at or was trying to spin a story. If it were genuine, even in rough shape, you’d be talking many multiples of that figure.

GooseB

 The engraved caseback on the Daytona is the giveaway, Rolex never did them that way,

They did engrave some rare Daytonas it seems - "…since 1991, when Rolex became the official title sponsor of the 24-hour race at Daytona, winning team members would be presented with a stainless steel Daytona wristwatch with a case back engraved with “Rolex 24 at Daytona Winner” and the relevant year, which is known as the “Winner” watch. Very few examples have come to market over the years;"

https://www.blackbird-watchmanual.com/manual/icons/the-rolex-daytona-reference-16520/

Fitz II

Both 100% fake, the story is also one that has been told a million times…always some clueless and slightly vunerable seller, doesn't know what he has, and a prospective buyer at a fraction of the value. Every single time, the same story.

One of the biggest giveaways is the amount of oxidation and scratching on the metal. Rolex steel doesn't wear that way. That a sticker is on the back is ok, but that a jubilee with such stretch on it, and a sticker that has survived such an amount of wear, is totally bogus.

If it sounds too good to be true, it is. People can take a Rolex to any jewellery/pawn shop and get dosh for it, the only reason you are needed in the deal op is to be the sucker. Don't be.