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Nomez

To whom it may concern,

I am writing to formally raise a concern regarding a recent moderation action taken against me by the moderator Shytan in the Airsoft Adverts section.

I was issued a warning followed by a jail term lasting until 31st August, which I believe to be unjustified. I have evidence to support my position and would appreciate the opportunity to present my case through the appropriate appeals process.

I have previously asked Moderator Shytan for the link regarding to submitting an appeal, but despite Shytan being active since my last message, I have not received a response. In an earlier message, Shytan did suggest that I could speak to an administrator. I confirmed that I would like to do so, but since then, I have heard nothing further.

As I am currently in "jail," I feel I have been left in limbo without a clear path to resolution or a fair chance to appeal this decision.

I would be grateful if someone could please direct me to the appropriate person or process to lodge a formal appeal.

Kind regards,
Nomez

Big Bag of Chips

Hi @Nomez

I have given you your own appeal thread. In order to further your appeal you need to confirm that you have tried to resolve the dispute with the moderator first. Can you please copy the PM exchange you've had with the moderator to this thread please. Screenshots will do.

Nomez

I’ve sent the screen shots there .

Big Bag of Chips

Ok, I've read your posts and your PMs. You stated here that you'd appreciate the opportunity to present your case. This is your opportunity.

Can you explain why you think the warnings are unjustified.

Nomez

Thank you for your time.

I would like to clarify the situation surrounding the recent warning issued to me. The warning appears to be related to a prolonged back-and-forth exchange between myself and another user. Throughout the exchange, I repeatedly attempted to de-escalate and walk away from the conversation; however, the other user continually re-engaged, prolonging the interaction over an extended period—not just a single day.

Eventually, I chose to disengage entirely, recognizing that the user seemed intent on continuing the argument. Despite my efforts, I received a warning the following day, which I found difficult to understand given the full context of the conversation—screenshots of which I have already provided for your review.

What concerns me further is that when I questioned the moderator involved about why they had not intervened earlier—especially considering they had previously issued a warning to the same user within the same thread—I began receiving additional penalties on my account. The moderator accused me of being abusive in our private messages. I asked them to specify or share the alleged abusive messages, but instead of providing clarification, I was placed in “jail” until the end of August. The moderator then ceased responding and refused to identify the messages in question.

It is difficult not to feel that these actions escalated after I questioned the lack of earlier intervention. I am simply seeking a fair and transparent resolution and would appreciate further review of this matter.

Kind regards

Nomez

Big Bag of Chips

Throughout the exchange, I repeatedly attempted to de-escalate and walk away from the conversation;

Reply 1:

you don’t want my opinion but you want to engage in childish behaviour

Reply 2:

I take it your just dumb marui don’t sell out side Japan , the third parties do duh . Maybe lad your just getting sour because you got caught trying to scam people , your laughed at mate , you can keep talking all your bullpoo saying what ever you want about me say I’ve no money etc by the sounds of it I well more then you as I don’t need to scam people out of money unlike you

lad your a chancer and full of it , and don’t be hating cause I can afford a brand new tm spas 12 and you can’t , your a scammer and just because you got caught, awh the baby grow up

Gowan you scammer , what else you gonna say this time because your making a show of your self with your lies .

Now I understand you have plenty of free time for this childish behaviour / scammer behaviour,

Reply 3 (posted immediately after reply 2)

it’s funny this thread has over €500 views and not one person is interested not one or is it the fact people have became aware of your scamming ways , No one bar me has even offered you anything haha looks like your wasting time 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 think you need to go back to your auction lad you might be able to scam a few more there .

Reply 4

the reason I sent you there page was to show it still in production dumbass , your not all there I understand ,

come on why not if your soo right with your lies or is it the fact your just talking out your arse ,

seen your type before your a scammer Gowan make up a new account to sell it on under a different name scammer now Gowan enjoy your day

Reply 5

I stated I wanted to inspect the stock before buying to check its authenticity and you ran like a coward

now scammer talk ya crap your the time waster, wasting mine and ever body else’s time on this site , fool of a person .

...prove it or is it more lies from your mouth, bring the receipts because your the only one here talking rubbish

funny how you only advertised here for sale and not on other sale pages in Ireland why you banned for being a scammer . Your doing Notting but embarrassing your self , cop on to your self you got caught being a low life , move on and looks like I’m not the only one who thinks your an embarrassment for the way your going , your a donkey of a person , stop calling me out your just further ruining your credibility. Your a insult to the sport scamming people .

If your not gonna back up all this talk with receipts your just making a mug out of yourself ,

il be sending you a nice picture in two months and we see who’s can bring the receipts then mr scammer.

Can you point out to me where exactly in those 5 posts you tried to de-escalate the situation?

Nomez

It’s only advice take it or leave ,you can hate on me for pointing it out . And you requesting me not to reply to any of your other new or old threads , that will be no problem I’d suggest you make a new thread for the item you wish to sell . 

GLWS

This is one of the replies

Nomez

why call me back out after we both agreed to not contact each other, abit childish don’t you think you don’t want my opinion but you want to engage in childish behaviour, obviously you have free time to for this but it’s not helping with your sale , my advice make a new tread with your new reduced price of €150 and then in a month or two if I haven’t posted the picture or sent you one call me out then and we can engage in childish conversation then but until then concentrate on selling your tm spas 12 and il stay away until said time . 

Glws

This one aswell

Nomez

seen your type before your a scammer Gowan make up a new account to sell it on under a different name scammer now Gowan enjoy your day and stop calling me out or encouraging me to reply . Stop being a waster . 

Make a new post and sell your tm spas 12 

Glws

This one

Nomez

So unless your gonna come prove with receipts all you have is words and they don’t hold up with your credibility so don’t call me out move on and start a new thread sell it break it do what you want but il be sending you a nice picture in two months and we see who’s can bring the receipts then mr scammer. 


Until then stop calling me out unless you have proof . 


Good luck with you sale 


This one

Nomez

as from the ones I’ve shared I kept saying good luck with your sale and move on and stop calling me out , I even told the user to even start a new tread to sell his product and I wouldn’t be commenting on his treads no more etc but this person wanted to keep a fire going where I didn’t , through multiple posts I kept trying to de-escalate by trying to leave the conversation and stating there will be no further contact etc ,

Big Bag of Chips

You are really not helping your case. Your posts above, that you use as examples of you de-escalating the situation, breach multiple site rules and the forum charter.

If you have a problem with any post or poster you report the post, and leave the moderator deal with it. You don't comment, you don't call anyone out, you don't call names or get personal in any way. Your posts were not de-escalating by any stretch of the imagination. They were antagonistic and personally abusive.

Your warning on that thread will not be overturned. You're lucky the moderator only warned one post rather than all 5.

As for your PMs to the moderator, would you like to explain why you sent 3 aggressive PMs in a short space of time demanding a response and throwing around personal insults?

Nomez

can you show me the aggressive messages you are referring to please and these personal insults you are also referring too . The mod was active at the time and refused to respond and the mod didn’t warn me on the tread he sent me a message to say I’ve been warned for going back and forth with another user .

I wasn’t the one to start with the insults in that tread ,I endured a few insults and then responded but why was the back and fourth allowed to go on and only when I wouldn’t respond any more and left the conversation is when the warning was made .

Nomez

• The back amd forth between you and kanjo is unexecptable. If you have issues you report them. 
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  Nomez  August 10

  if you checked the posted you will see I’ve tried to walk away from and that person kept calling me out to respond , how come your only getting involved now after it all when you should of locked his tried the first time ? 

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  Nomez  August 10

  well why didn’t you lock his post when you seen your self he’s a scammer? 

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  Nomez  August 10

  Excuse me don’t ignore my message you were quick enough to give me a warning so you can quick enough to respond 

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  shytan  August 10

  If you dont have the patience to wait for an answer that is your problem Now i will not ignore your tone and issue a further warning. I am not at your beck and call and do this job on a voluntary basis and therefore will not deal with any abuse. You are not the centre of the world.

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  Nomez  August 10

  hold on here if you did your job in the first place this wouldn’t of escalated to this stage , you claim I was abusive to you show me where I was verbally abuse to you please . I’m not the centre of the world and your not god so what are you getting at , as your tone is more abusive then mine is so your allowed to be disrespectful to me but I can’t point out the facts to you 

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  shytan  August 10

  Maybe you should try this behavior with the admins 

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  Nomez  August 10

  well if they have an better attitude then you no problem put me in touch with the admins so and il show them all the messages and let them decide if I was abusive to or were you disrespectful to me 

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  Nomez  August 10

  and you still haven’t pointed out where I was abusive to you ??

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  Nomez  August 10

  what’s the admins user name and il get in touch with them or you can get them on to me .. 

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  Nomez  August 10

  can I put in jail so I can do up the appeal process 

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  Nomez  August 11

  so can you put me jail or you still gonna act childish and ignore my messages , why you scared of your boss seeing the truth .

Nomez

That’s whole conversation there , can you please highlight were I was verbally abusive and if you could highlight were I was been aggressive aswell , if I remember correctly each message wasn’t posted back to back within seconds of each other, more like 10-30 mins apart ,if you can post the time stamps and if I’m wrong il apologise but if I remember correctly when I messaged the mod I gave plenty of time for him to respond as he was active at them times and he didn’t respond.

If I’m correct from reading the messages again I was given a warning for the back and forth and another warning for my tone in my response to him . But claimed I was abusive.

Big Bag of Chips

Moderators are volunteers, helping the site out in their spare time.

The PM you received is how warnings are issued on the site now. It is a points system. You should not have responded on thread in the way you did. Name calling and backseat moderating.

You should not have responded to the moderator in the way that you did. 1 PM reply and wait for his response, 10-30 minutes is not a long time. You wait a day, at least to give the moderator time to reply. Your PMs were demanding and aggressive and entitled.

"Don't ignore me" - a moderator will reply when they are ready. They are also not obliged to reply at all if a poster is being aggressive in PMs.

"hold on here if you did your job in the first place this wouldn’t of escalated to this stage" - Nobody here has "a job". Moderators moderate in their spare time. You cannot blame the moderator for the escalation that you caused in that thread by your constant going after the poster calling him a scammer and making personal comments about intelligence.

You escalated the thread, nobody else. You could have simply not responded. You pointed out nobody else was responding so why not take a leaf from their book?

The rules of the site are very simple. You report any post you think breaches the rules and you let the moderator deal with it. Moderators are not online 24/7. Sometimes even when they appear to be online, that might not be moderating. They will get to issues when they are available to. You don't continue to comment, call names, antagonise and then blame someone else for not stopping you. You should know yourself that your posts were breaking the rules. Your warning was justified.

Your PMs were unnecessarily aggressive and demanding of a volunteer. A moderator who was very polite in their dealings with you. The only problem with the warning for the PMs, was the moderator shouldn't have applied it. He should have reported it to an Admin who would have applied a temporary siteban.

I am upholding both warnings. I will ask you to think before you reply to posts in future. If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing might be a good rule to go by. I suggest you read the stickies at the top of the forum. Your posts and PMs highlighted here are unnecessarily aggressive and rude. If you continue posting like that you will pick up more warnings.

Nomez

so once again i ask can you high light the verbal abuse I said to the mod also the aggressive abuse I said to mod ? .

so I cause the problem on the tread is that what your saying ?
who was the first person to throw insults?

The way your mod spoke to me he got it return. Maybe your mod should have a better set of matters and respect or try to be professional , so your telling me the mod can be disrespectful and lazy and I’ve just to nod my head , if the mod would of responded the first time we wouldnt be here , the mod chose to ignore the messages and when he did reply he was being disrespectful but that’s allowed according to you is that what your telling me .

• If you dont have the patience to wait for an answer that is your problem Now i will not ignore your tone and issue a further warning. I am not at your beck and call and do this job on a voluntary basis and therefore will not deal with any abuse. You are not the centre of the world.

so that’s been polite, that’s been cheeky and disrespectful.

Why should I have to wait for a day to get a response when he was active and was refusing to respond that’s just silly . Why could the mod not respond when they got the message ? In my eyes your mod was trying to flex his little power and when I pointed out that he had failed in doing his role correctly he got sour and made false claims of verbal abuse and aggressive behaviour to justify his actions which are false .

But why didn’t he report it , the mod knew he was doing wrong and he was hoping it blow away that’s why they wouldn’t respond , that’s why he didn’t get any of yous involved, but I did I was the one to reach out and get this conversation going not your mod . Let me make you aware under Irish law making false accusations and definition of character is punishable under Irish law and your mod falls in to both categories , so I’d be careful who i let work for me as if a mod was to get convicted under Irish law this whole site would be at risk of getting shut down . some one can get smart cheeky impatient but it’s not classified as verbal abuse or aggressive so your mods claims are dumbfounded and are false .

Big Bag of Chips

Are you threatening legal action against a moderator or the site?

Nomez

please don’t be trying to put words in my mouth, I haven’t threatened any one or any site , so let’s not go that route please I clearly pointed out his actions could have consequences that could effect this site .

back to the matter at hand throughout this conversation I’ve asked repeatedly for the verbally abusive and the aggressive comments to be high lighted and shown to me so I ask again can you highlight it please as that’s why I’m here to discuss your mod that has made dumbfounded statements against me .

Big Bag of Chips

The moderators actions will have no consequences on the site, so there is no need to worry on that score.

I have highlighted quotes from your posts where you were aggressive and personally abusive. The PMs you posted were also unnecessarily aggressive and personally attacking the moderator.

If you can't see that then anything I say here won't convince you. I am upholding both warnings and marking this as resolved.