New ‘package’ Senior Cycle Reform

JP2000

Any more information on this? The only thing of note in this package seems to be a change to the croke park hours. The wording seems quite vague. Anyone know what changes are actually being proposed?

I’m sure most people will happily vote to accept regardless.

https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-education/press-releases/statement-from-minister-for-education-and-youth-helen-mcentee/

JP2000

Nobody cares I guess.
Or maybe nobody bothers with this forum anymore.

Icsics

I think everyone thinks it’s a given, especially since the TUI have already rolled over & nobody wants to fight, the memory of the JC debacle is fresh. On the whole, it’s a bad deal, but there’s enough in it that members will vote for.

JP2000

It’s such a shame that there’s no fight in people. TUI are a joke. I can’t fathom why any teacher would join them.
The government must be laughing at us.

History Queen

I'm finding it difficult to articulate the sheer rage I felt when I read the utterly pathetic capitulation by the TUI. I am a member for over a decade, I've represented my branch at congress and gone to union meetings and urged others to join. I've also been a staff rep. Today I approached the ASTI rep on staff to find out about transferring union. The TUI have long been hard to defend, but this, for me, is the last straw.

maynooth_rules

Tbh I am disgusted with the TUI for this. They have shown their utter disconnect from the teacher in the classroom with this. Its probably the straw that breaks the camels back for me and my menbership of this union anyway.

HazeDoll

I left the TUI quite recently, for a number of reasons. If you've decided to do the same, all you need to do is send a signed letter of resignation to:

Membership Section,

TUI Head Office,

73 Orwell Road,

Rathgar.

I kept it short, and didn't bother giving reasons or making any kind of a stand.

They're grabby chancers and they'll stop taking their slice of your paycheque at their convenience. They took a subscription from three of my little paycheques after I left!

 

Icsics

what’s the feeling in staff rooms…..? Hard to tell in ours but I get the sense there’s absolutely no fight left in anyone & the tui stance isn’t helping

jayo76

Long time ASTI activist, delegate, CEC member and to be honest Im as horrified by our stance as the TUI. Seemingly practically everybody on Standing Committee and CEC agreed on how weak both the reforms and packages are, yet it is sent to members without recommendation. Makes no sense to me and I think its a joke to be honest, say what u feel and recommend a no vote. These reforms will do nothing but further destroy second level education in this country.

HazeDoll

TUI branch chair is insisting that if we don't vote in support of reform we are passing up the opportunity to have any say in the coming changes.

Surely that's nonsense? At what point will somebody say, "Well, we're not asking you, you voted against it!"?

I don't recall being invited to have input in the current JC…

maynooth_rules

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123475361#Comment_123475361

Dont know if mine is the same as anyone, but there is a lot of frustration.

Very pissed off with the **** TUI text messages being sent out, stressing that a no vote won't stop senior cycle reform. THATS NOT THE ISSUE TUI.

Not to be parroting Teresa May, but no reform is better than the hamfisted reforms being rushed through.

Treppen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123475361#Comment_123475361

Seemed like a sure yes!, until the person dealing with the votes mentioned that there's no recommendation from the ASTI... but the TUI are saying yes. We're an ASTI school so you can guess our response to that 😁

JP2000

Very disappointing result from the TUI

HazeDoll

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123502591#Comment_123502591

Not a surprise though. Do you know anybody who supported JC reform? Anybody who might have voted to support it? And yet the result that was miraculously returned from the TUI ballot was to support it.

Exactly the same story with this ballot.

Weird, that.

ngunners

https://www.asti.ie/news-campaigns/latest-news/asti-members-vote-to-reject-senior-cycle-implementation/

Rejected by ASTI thankfully and by a bigger margin than I expected.

JP2000

TUI being completely shown up here.

Icsics

A great result…going to be an interesting year

Random sample

so what happens now? In a mixed union school this is going to be interesting.

acequion

I'm retiring this year ie end of August, but one of the last and one of the most important things I did was vote a resounding NO to this farce. And delighted to see it rejected so emphatically. Just what were TUI members thinking! Ye have to fight this guys! At the very least force them back to the drawing board, pause and hopefully come up with a better reform than this rushed shambles.

It will be an interesting year and I wish everyone the best with it! I used to be very involved in ASTI and always loved a good fight 😃 But have taken more of a back seat in recent years as it's up the my younger colleagues to take up the mantle and defend the profession and Irish education. Fingers crossed it all works out.

HazeDoll

I think it's very important that TUI members start to question the leadership and integrity of their union. Does anybody really believe that the majority of TUI members voted in support of LC reform?

Hontou

I'm beginning to wonder what the TUI actually do for their members. Some teachers in my school approached them for support this year and didn't get any.

cccccc

Anyone know % turnout in tui vote?

joebloggs32

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123524275#Comment_123524275

The turnout was 51%. There was just under 16000 TUI members eligible to vote - 3rd level members would not be eligible.

When the executive recommended as Yes then it was always going to be carried.

amacca

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123530103#Comment_123530103

Did they give a rationale for recommending a yes rather than letting members decide for themselves?

joebloggs32

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123532087#Comment_123532087

Yes there was literature sent out. The jist of it was that the SCR was going to happen one way or another as the education act empowers the minister to dictate the curriculum. Based on that it was recommended to vote yes to lock in gains and protect pay rises.

HazeDoll

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123532267#Comment_123532267

I wish I knew somebody on the inside who would tell me the truth. What deals were done, what meeting was held to cook up the nonsense they decide to tell their members.

2011abc

Quango board seat promises usually but some of them probably happy with a few main courses in some of the swankier hotels nearby.