Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Read OP for mod warnings before posting*

realdanbreen

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123278579#Comment_123278579

For the next 20 years at least they will still be in a position to form the Government. At that stage Paul Murphy, RBB,Mary Lou , an all the rest who have avoided taking on government responsibility will have retired on their fat pensions and lumpsums!

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123279759#Comment_123279759

Ah, so you don't have any instances of any IRA or loyalist grooming gangs, thanks for clearing that up.

There is any amount of instances of Muslim grooming gangs in the UK I can furnish you with, but you know that already.

Perhaps you should consider amending your posts claiming their were IRA or loyalist grooming gangs, thanks in advance.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123277988#Comment_123277988

I can only talk for myself but I would consider some policies to reduce immigration in the current housing crisis. It wasn't possible to find a candidate who considered moderating immigration AND didn't have racist ideology. I just voted for sinn fein. There were no options unless I ran for election myself.

engineerws

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123278084#Comment_123278084

You seem to be very insulated. Maybe you should try raising a family in ballyfermot.

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123278192#Comment_123278192

Well, first time housebuyers are typically in their 30s — when I talk about the youngest members of our society I'm referring to children and teenagers.

But even if we take housing as an issue, probably the #1 issue in Irish society today, there aren't really any threads here that focus on it or discuss it specifically. Instead, it's an issue that tends to be squeezed through on refugee / migration threads — despite the fact it's been an issue long before Ireland's first experience of a major refugee influx from early 2022 onwards.

And that's indicative really of the fact that many people will tend to amplify migration as the cause of whatever the issue of the day is. Migration as a cause of cultural change is pushed ahead of the influence of social media and smartphones despite it being plainly obvious which of those things have actually altered Irish society more — just as refugees have been pushed ahead of the myriad of issues causing the housing crisis which pre-date the refugee influx.

downthemiddle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123279828#Comment_123279828

You think that some child abusers have the high moral ground over other child abusers. I can only pity your view of the world.

Everlong1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123279571#Comment_123279571

Was this a Parliamentary Question? If so what was the text? You will hear something back as PQs have to be answered in some fashion. Although you do have to chase them up sometimes.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123279862#Comment_123279862

Thank you for your reply, but would you not also agree that you can't really have a meaningful discussion on housing without discussing population growth, and in the case of Ireland, that's due in large part to inward migration?

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123279910#Comment_123279910

There was paedophiles in the IRA, uvf, probably the scouts n mens sheds, all walks of life.

If you can't see a difference between solo paedophiles operating and grooming gangs with 20 fellas sharing around girls that's on you.

I couldn't care less what you think of my view of the world, point still stands you claimed their was IRA/ loyalist grooming gangs- there weren't.

Irish Aris

Mod warning:

@enricoh @downthemiddle

I see you're stuck in a loop with that particular topic and it's now clogging the thread.

Time to move on please, and thank you.

Please pm me if you have any questions, do not respond on thread.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123278870#Comment_123278870

You did say that native European is meaningless and I assume apply the same to Irish natives . Does that mean you want to see Ireland with a more multicultural mix. Those who live separately in society because of their different attitudes,cultures and racial tension.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123280248#Comment_123280248

I never said I wanted to see Ireland be more multicultural. I said it’s inevitable that the culture in Ireland evolves.

Please don’t put words in my mouth.

Ireland has never been culturally homogeneous. We’ve always had some flavour of multiculturalism, unfortunately it caused violence in the past.

I don’t want people to “live separately”, I want them to be welcomed and made feel at home.

briangriffin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123279919#Comment_123279919

45,000 IPAS asylum applicants and over 100,000 Ukranian refugees in the past 3 years before we start talking about family reunion (which inevibly will be enormous given the fact that 70% of applicants are males fleeing war/persecution remember the narrative you were told the males leave home first and then find sanctuary before sending for their families )and visa immigration. In total since 2022 so for the past 3 years net migration is at 220,000. How on earth would net migration of 220,000 have any impact on housing in the middle of the worst housing crisis to hit our country. Remember we have percentage wise one of the largest group of 25 to 35 year olds living at home with their parents in europe.

Don't be so racist clearly immigration has no impact on housing. To suggest otherwise is an affront to social cohesion. You as the tax payer have no say in this because you voted back in the same government collectively as a country. Clearly we as a country are all delighted with the state of our Healthcare, Housing, Energy, immigration, cost of living, the wastage in the public sector etc etc.

We are also delighted that 70% of IPAS applicants were rejected at first instance last year (80% this year) and almost none are deported with the tax payer paying the bill for free bed and board. A fully quantifiable fraud on the Irish taxpayer.

We could quantify the true cost to all of us if we had a body that was responsible for monitoring NGO spending, oh wait we did have one but it cost less than a million a year to fund it, clearly when bike sheds and security huts and walls have to be built that 1 million to see where the likely 7 billion of taxpayer money is going is just a complete waste of money and an affront to government transparency on spending.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123279422#Comment_123279422

There are natives in every country on this planet almost and as we've all descended from the same place nobody stayed in the same place forever. We live in a world of nations and different cultures that should be protected and remain unique. Not every country turning into New York.

Ultimately the populations in these various countries including Ireland don't want mass immigration and should be listened too despite what the EU, WEF etc think.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123280292#Comment_123280292

And it's possible it can cause violence again in the future. Let's take the UK Vs Denmark. Who's less likely to see violence in future? I'd say Denmark because they will remain homogeneous and won't allow mass immigration from some of the most culturally backwards countries on the planet by Western standards.

rgossip30

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123280292#Comment_123280292

The experience in the UK and Europe is that migrants remain largely in their own nationality groups . No matter how much welcome , pampering and making migrants feel at home racial tension will exist . I take it you are content with the immigration level at present.

JP Liz V1

Simon Harris was asked by Ken O Flynn in The Dail about Ukrainians and IPAs getting car repairs paid, of course Harris didn't answer and just deflected

I do hope Harris can come back with an answer and it is untrue as this is bloody disgraceful, this goes beyond humanitarian aid help imho for those running from warzones

https://x.com/IrishmanIRL/status/1902726539650773341

How do I show this Twitter X link up as it has the video?

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281810#Comment_123281810

Harris doesn't even answer the question. He's a shockingly poor politican.

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281810#Comment_123281810

Typical Harris. That's the real Harris, always talking down to people. Just like what we saw during the election

He really is very nasty

Photobox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281868#Comment_123281868

Always said that about him. Nasty, condescending and shallow. Mask slipped big time with the woman in Kanturk.

Sgt Hartman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281868#Comment_123281868

According to his Wikipedia page he was a “Head Boy” in the school he attended so he’s used to lording it over people from a young age.

SuperBowserWorld

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281810#Comment_123281810

Ireland, more like Disneyland.

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123281810#Comment_123281810

we paid a few million to bring over their pets so I would guess there is some truth in this. We just seem to be mental with our generosity. As for Harris that’s the measure of the man. I’d expect nothing more from him.

Lotus Flower

A reasonable question and Harris called him a dog whistler

_Puma_

Noticed his backup on the Fine Gael benches, some of them shouting "shame".

If that's the stragedy we are going to see from this goverment in the Dáil they are in big trouble. This particular issue has people bucking mad…

Photobox

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123282133#Comment_123282133

Yes he did his usual defensive hostile reply when he hears something he doesn't like.. expect nothing else from him.

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123282133#Comment_123282133

Dog Whistling - I detest that expression… the favourite expression of anyone that won’t allow anyone to question the mental money spent on Ukrainians and IPAS. Harris though really is unlikeable.

Lotus Flower

I hate to say they only have themselves to blame for what happened with McGregor in the White House. If they’re calling colleagues dog whistlers and shutting down questions they created a vacuum

Leg End Reject

Mod: Paul_Crosby can't come to the forum right now, a lot of off topic posts are deleted.

Headshot

Another possible IPAS centre on the way to Thurles in Tipperary

https://tippfm.com/news/tipperary-county-council/ipas-centre-planned-for-thurles-building/

A planning exemption has been granted for the creation of an IPAS centre in Thurles.

Tipperary County Council has approved a ‘Section 5’ exemption for a company that want to renovate a former furniture shop on Mitchel Street.

It means the developers will be able to convert the building without going through the usual planning processes.

No contract has yet been signed with the Department of Integration but local Cllr Jim Ryan says it’s planned that there could be 80 asylum seekers housed there in the future.

He says these negotiations should not be allowed happen without talking to the local community first.

Hopefully Lowry stops this madness

https://tippfm.com/news/housing/lowry-farcical-to-suggest-there-is-local-consultation-on-thurles-ipas-plans/

“It will have a detrimental impact on the local community and compound the problems that already exist arising from similar accommodation in the area.

“It is a mockery and farcical to suggest that there is local consultation. In fact the absence of consultation is one of the many reasons why immigration policy is an abject failure. These Section 5 applications across Tipperary and the country are shrouded in secrecy and dealt with behind closed doors.”

This government is destroying Tipperary. It's sickening these wealthy individuals want to make money of this charade and at the same time no problem destroying local communities. What's worse is this government who are meant to be look after Irish citizens are the facilitating this destruction.

It's sickening this is still happening