Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 01/08/25*

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123578966#Comment_123578966

I guess we interpret the word colonise differently. Like newfoundland was predominantly an Irish colony.

kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123578974#Comment_123578974

I interpet it correctly, the word you are looking for is settled or settlement,the Irish were never the masters of the land where they settled

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123579003#Comment_123579003

Yeah either way humans always go wherever there are opportunities and a better life whatever way they can, that's why people come here now and we used to leave for other places in our droves.

kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123579018#Comment_123579018

You can't compare historical Irish emigration with the current immigration crisis we are experiencing,it's apples and oranges.

Patrick2010

Ah the old “Asylum seekers to Ireland are the equivalent of Irish people going to America for work” a vast continent that was looking for workers, a continent that wasn’t supplying free accommodation, food , health care and money. This is getting very tired now.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123579081#Comment_123579081

I'm only saying people leave poverty to go where there's a chance of a better life, and social services didn't exist back then so you can't really compare what's given to these people now. Plenty of Irish people were looked after by charities in new york etc. anyway.

if I was from lagos or pakistan with no hope of a good life I'd be doing my best to get out of there by hook or by crook.

Geuze

The Irish who emigrated to the USA, for example between 1840 and 1910, were the equivalent to the non-EU workers who come to Ireland now.

They are not equivalent to AS or refugees.

The Irish who overstayed their visa during the past few decades are a different matter.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123578063#Comment_123578063

We should at least try.

Switz tried to do it in 24 hrs, for AS from four countries, and it was a success.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123578304#Comment_123578304

One week's accomm during processing is obviously vastly cheaper than the median 68 weeks processing time now.

Massive costs savings.

Geuze

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123578331#Comment_123578331

Yes, it would take a few months.

What about chartering a ferry for the Albanians? Could fit 1,000 onboard? Maybe take a week to get there?

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123578823#Comment_123578823

Are these mandatory for asylum seekers or refugees in Ireland?

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123578929#Comment_123578929

Total bullshit alrigjht, but not surprising really. The level of self righteous shoite on this and so many others threads never ceases to amaze

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123579100#Comment_123579100

Population of Nigeria 230 million

Population of Pakistan 250 million

Total of both countries 480 million

Population of Ireland 5 million

Nigeria has huge oil wealth, Pakistan has enough wealth to pursue a nuclear programme. Both obviously have enough money to look after their own people, why should a small country thousands of million miles away be expected to support them and house them instead of our own people, putting ourselves into debt.

480m greater than 5m, only a small proportion of those deciding to come here would overwhelm us, that’s ignoring all the other African countries and the likes of Albania, Georgia etc

But yeah, let’s ramp up AS accommodation

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123579228#Comment_123579228

They're total corrupt sh*tholes that don't look after their own people that's why so many leave

Francie Barrett

Mod - warned for ignoring moderator instruction

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123578872#Comment_123578872

Never mind that ..have you answered the question about whether you had anything to back up the outrageous claim earlier

At least I am not posting anything that cannot be backed up .

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123579136#Comment_123579136

I doubt it but you could look that up and let us know ?

Mr. teddywinkles

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JP Liz V1

Good on Ken asking the right questions but Jim bringing The Edge into his answering , you could swear an affidavit to be anyone it seems

https://twitter.com/independent_ire/status/1937858374269354206

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123579537#Comment_123579537

Just say you were a genuine refugee who's house was bombed by Israel and you made your way across Europe to family in Ireland, should they not be allowed apply for asylum as they've no passport?

Otherwise all refugees have to be processed in the countries surrounding the dodgy countries.

mrslancaster

@ TheloniousMonk

“Oh ffs. They have no ID. How do you fly them anywhere? Do you think Afghans and Nigerians who have been knocking around Europe for years have up to date passports?

Strange that they’ve been knocking around Europe for years and didn’t apply for asylum in whatever countries they were in. Posters on here constantly saying that seeking asylum is the reason for leaving their home countries.

How could they be in other EU countries for years with zero paperwork, no documentation, ID, residency permits, some kind of visa etc. Were they living as homeless vagrants, no accommodation, healthcare, food, money? No NGO charities to assist them? No state agencies to offer support? No interaction with authorities in any way? Invisible? Living under the radar?

If they were years knocking around, never availing of any supports for asylum seekers in those other countries, but they persisted and waited - for what? Light bulb moment…they decided to make their way across the EU to the furthest island and apply for asylum here? Sorry but lol.

dabbler2004

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123579598#Comment_123579598

"Just say you were a genuine refugee" , well that suggests that you believe that there are refugees that aren't genuine. So those aren't refugees at all, they are economic migrants and as such should not be part of the IPAS process.

These economic migrants already have a path they should be using, applying for work visas. That's it, no backdoors into the country.

There's also been a lot of rebuttals on this thread where a poster has suggested processing IPAS quickly and return them to country of their journey origin and the comments have been but they don't have a passport so we can't send them back. So to those posters that say yes we want quicker processing but we should just accept all IPAS and accommodate them in the meantime I ask this: where do we send them if their claim is refused? (They don't have passports let's not forget)

ArthurDayne

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123575517#Comment_123575517

Comparing modern migration in Ireland with the Plantation of Ulster is just the stretch of all stretches.

The Plantation of Ulster involved the overseeing by the State and rich landowners of the forced confiscation of land and relocation of native people as an actual implemented targeted strategy. It wasn't some process of migrants coming to work or seek a better life and to live alongside and among the native communities. It was about the British realm literally forcefully driving the native population. Using numbers as the comparison is just ludicrous when it wasn't so much the numbers as the actual intent, implementation and enforcement of what was effectively an ethnic cleansing.

Comparing this to modern migration, whereby migrants come to work here and to coexist peacefully alongside us in a democratic society based on the rule of law of this country isn't so much comparing apples to oranges as it is comparing butterflies to moon rocks.

As for demographic change being forced on us — people are free to vote as they please.

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123579244#Comment_123579244

They are but to what extent is corruption in, say, Nigeria the responsibility of the Irish state?

kabakuyu

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123579244#Comment_123579244

I'm surprised you describe those 2 countries like that,there would be uproar from certain quarters if someone else did it.

BTW,many millions choose to stay in both those countries,so it must not be all bad.

prunudo

Plantation, colonisation, replacement or whatever the 'we can't call it that' term of the day is. Ireland and her demographics are drastically changing due to mass immigration. Take a walk around any town or city and you can see the changing face of Ireland, going by last figures there are 2,000 Indians coming a month, the same nationality who are buying up large portion of new builds.

Thats not to say I hate Indians or any other nationality for that matter, but its clear as the nose on my face that the if we keep on current path, Irish people could be a minority in their own country come 2050.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123579444#Comment_123579444

I'm pretty sure I would have heard of these programs for refugees in Ireland coming from the 3rd world. I've heard about them in a number of other countries and the calls to introduce them here.

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123579738#Comment_123579738

"Irish people could be a minority in their own country come 2050"

https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-the-taoiseach/collections/migration-the-facts/

I am sure your post will get plenty of thanks but lets deal in facts.

What evidence have you of that statement? I have only seen it made by far right racist accounts on Twitter with no explanation of how it could happen.

prunudo

Given the warning in the op, I have to be careful, but given the government themselves are saying they want the population to be heading for 8m, and given our birthrate is 1.7 so below replacement, and our aging population as we approach 2050, I do believe that Irish people could be a minority, which only has to be below 50% to be correct.

Sarcozies

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123579766#Comment_123579766

Before someone bothers to do the maths for you proving it to be entirely possible based on immigration and Irish births for the last few years, will you do the following predictable response?

“Step 1: It’s not really happening
Step 2: Yeah, it’s happening, but it’s not a big deal
Step 3: It’s a good thing, actually
Step 4: People freaking out about it are the real problem”