Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 01/08/25*

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514780#Comment_123514780

All of them, every single last one

Including all the Schools?

The Irish Cancer society?

Guide dogs Ireland?

Women aid?

etc.

The term ngo should be scraped and a much better and more transparent system put in place.

You also want to ban words?

Why is that not surprising in the least!

Why specifically should the The Irish Refugee Council be scrapped?

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EmergencyExit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123498405#Comment_123498405

May god help anyone who doesn't have the top levels of private health care in the future. It's going to be very grim indeed.

Anyway this is the Ireland people keep voting for so…..

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514835#Comment_123514835

God help the elderly, they will be abandoned. Too much money to get from the asylum scam.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514816#Comment_123514816

Schools aren't ngo's.

**Edit, is see you added in more.

As I said in the post you quoted, the whole system needs a rethink, so yes, those that you mentioned would all need to be scrutinised.**

Where did I say words should be banned.

You asked which ones should be closed, its an immigration thread, why not start with closing the Irish refugee council. They are part of the problem with the current situation.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514816#Comment_123514816

How do we know those golden labs are actually guiding people where the people want the go? Maybe they're just wandering around looking for bones while tethered to an unsuspecting blind person.

EmergencyExit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123513614#Comment_123513614

I actually watched this last night before i went to bed, McGuirk (is that his name) made mince meat of her i felt sorry for her at the end. If she thinks we are loaded as a country she should take a walk around Darndale or parts of the North Circular Road if she ever leaves the leafy suburbs. In a bubble comes to mind when she opens her mouth.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123513202#Comment_123513202

Seriously?

You read my posts and replied.

The point was that a six year old strawman was being used to trash an elected TD.

Gary Gannon was elected with 7481 votes in Dublin Central second only to Pascal Donohue who finished at 8069 votes, a sitting ex Finance government minister , and above the leader of SF , Mary Lou who received 7388.

Malachy Steenson got 2195 votes and was knocked out well before .

And this was discussed pre and around election time on these threads but you would not have had much interest as not your neck of the woods I suppose.

Except of course you think it relevant when a six year old controversy related to a council candidate who was an immigrant is dredged up.

Funny that . I would say the relevance is that there is a push to dredge up stuff about some politicians but refusal to discuss past histories of anti immigration politicians .

Gary Gannon's immense popularity in the very difficult constituency as highlighted above is testament to the high regard he is held by the good people of Dublin Central .

It is this popularity and high esteem that he and the other poll topping candidates elected by the very Dublin people who were in the middle of the nastiness of the riots, and are presumably the most affected by Immigration from all the threads here , that is a thorn in the side for anti immigration people . They will resort to any BS to knock him and others down .

As for the other, he is not worth discussing , but it served only to highlight the hypocrisy of discussing minimal past deeds of one , while ignoring much worse by others just because it suits an anti SD / Gannon agenda .

downthemiddle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514220#Comment_123514220

Anyone who manages that feat is straight into our Olympic rowing programme.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514852#Comment_123514852

Some schools are NGOs. For example Educate together and all its schools are considered NGOs

Why do you want to scrap the educate together schools?

As a charity and independent NGO, Educate Together often needs volunteers, donations and support.

https://www.educatetogether.ie/about/overview/

You asked which ones should be closed, its an immigration thread, why not start with closing the Irish refugee council. They are part of the problem with the current situation.

Indeed I did and you replied.

All of them, every single last one

Perhaps when you mean only certain NGOs you should name them next time instead of declaring all of them to be the problem. When that is not what you seemingly mean.

Paddy_Mag

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514220#Comment_123514220

The problem is the government aren't very good at financial management and are more focused on filtering money into the right areas based on personal preference and no other reason

When even the government are stating vast majority of asylum seeker claims are not legitimate or valid, as in they are from people not eligible then it's a hard thing to reverse given their predecessors public statements inviting anyone and every one with lucrative benefits

Potatoeman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514859#Comment_123514859

People like her need to have these problems land in their front door. There families need to feel the consequences. She’s more than happy to dump these people in the country or in poor Dublin areas as pretty much all these activists are.

Jack Daw

Nice to see we have a documentary coming out on RTE soon where the Irish are referred to as a mongrel race.

Imagine if any other group was referred to like that

Ridiculous the level of blatant gaslighting that has been pushed on the people of this country by the establishment.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514908#Comment_123514908

No i stand by my initial post and reply to your question , i don't believe any ngo's should exist. The whole system needs a revamp and it should go back to being about charities and not as a mechanism to lobby government and civil servants.

If some schools are currently classed as ngo's then they need to be reclassified.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514619#Comment_123514619

Yeah they quoted the cleric who said they closed the mosque as radicalised members were trying to take over.

I would be more reassured if undercover gardai had reported back to management on radicalism n our authorities had closed it, like what happens in other countries. Didn't happen n the gardai were recently in the mosque trying to recruit new members - let hope none of the radicalised ones put their hand up eh!

Has any journalist done a report on these claims - I missed it if they did. Only last month a radicalised Islamist was locked up for stabbing the army chaplain in Galway. Here was me thinking a red hot story for our journalists as a result - alas , not to be

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514948#Comment_123514948

Do you think that’s a body or department who hands out the “NGO” tag? Like wee medals or something?

You can’t reclassify them. They’re defined as

a non-profit organization that operates independently of any government, typically one whose purpose is to address a social or political issue.

Any charity is an NGO. The term NGO is a catch all term for such organisations. Your classification point is mental.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514948#Comment_123514948

The term NGO as a definition has no legal basis in Ireland on its own.

The NGO grouping includes schools and other needed charities and you want to scrap it because some groups can lobby the government?

But surely you realize the term NGO doesn't convey this power. So scrapping it as a term achieves nothing except the banning of words.

But yet you want to scrap schools and ban words because something something immigrants.

In my opinion that is absolute nonsense.

The best thing here would be for posters not to misuse a term they do not fully understand. If you have an issue with a specific NGO and some function they carry out. Why not be specific and name the NGO and the function.

Is it because it easier to waffle about the nebulous NGOs in a conspiratorial manner without saying anything of substance, and when you focus on an actual body and their functions the conspiratorial nonsense disappears?

Finally back to the immigration topic and the one NGO you have named as needing scrapping.

Why specifically should the Irish Refugee Council be scrapped?

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prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514994#Comment_123514994

And there in lies the problem, because they aren't classified, we have bodies who lobby government and shape policy being bundled in with Educate Together and Guide Dogs. The ngo system isn't fit for purpose, but it suits those that are doing very well out of this, to keep the status quo.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515018#Comment_123515018

What NGO system are you waffling about?

There is no NGO system.

NGO is an umbrella term that refers to many different types of organizations. All those specific types where required are managed by relevant legislation in Irish law.

In fact lobbying itself is regulated by the Regulation Lobbying Act.

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2015/act/5/enacted/en/html

Not by any NGO system 🤣

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515018#Comment_123515018

They don't shape policy .

They advocate and sometimes do research to try to back up what they are trying to achieve. They use whatever funding they have to pay for services to citizens .

Some analysts lobby government ministers and departments , not offering brown envelopes , but by discussion and information about the areas they specialize in .

Those government ministers and public representatives then decide whether they support the aims of that group or not . Nobody is forced to do so.

No money or bribes change hands which seems to be what you are implying. It is all very much above board .

None of this is secret or conspiracy .

There is a forum for that here somewhere .

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515018#Comment_123515018

What “NGO system”? You seem to think NGOs are something they are not.

NGO is a term for lots of different things. They don’t get any benefit from being called an NGO. They just are one.

Patrick2010

Didn’t catch her name but Newstalk had a very well spoken Independent councillor from the south Dublin area discussing tonight’s protest against the government buying the Citywest hotel to make it a permanent location to house a few thousand asylum seekers.

She said that local women were afraid to use the local park because of the numbers of AS in the park and filming them.

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514859#Comment_123514859

Don't feel sorry for her. She has a cushy job funded by us. The same can't be said for McGuirk who's one of the hardest working journalists not under the government thumb.

I've been noticing a lot of sound bites making it through on local radio recently that would never have been permitted before the election.

It feels like the tide is turning. Or should I say the media because public opinion changed a long time ago.

prunudo

Last comment on this as its off topic, its as plain as day that there is overreach by certain NGOs and they have access to shape government policy. They get away with falling under a blanket term that mixes many good and legitimate causes with ones that have more political causes. Hence why I think there needs to be an overhaul of how they operate and how they are classed.

And to bring it back to immigration, the Irish refugee council is one I would start with auditing and seeing whether they are bringing value for money and benefiting Irish tax payers and are they operating in their remit. And whether they putting undue influence on government policy around immigration.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515094#Comment_123515094

Probably Cllr Linda de Courcy.

Leg End Reject

Mod: Please don't drag discussions from other threads into this one.

nachouser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515118#Comment_123515118

Your feeds are telling you that NGO's are the root of all evil, almost like a blanket term. If you're going to decry them, then you should at least be able to name the specific ones you have a problem with. It can't be the IRC.

Have a poke around the site, they're not really doing much. But, sure the NGO bingo card is fun until you have to name one.

Edit: they also have a link for audits etc.

https://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/account-and-finances

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515118#Comment_123515118

You want to continue using the term NGO as a vague conspiratorial threat but you don't want to discuss what it means.

Ok.

So you have no direct accusations to make against the Irish refugee council but you want the Irish state to audit this private body, to see if they bring value for money and benefiting Irish tax payers.

Why?

That's not their function why would you expect them to be doing that.

Jizique

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123514095#Comment_123514095

One thing I find interesting is that we have all these NGOs on representing the "official ireland" view, the govt view, basically defending the govt position - it is clear that they can't find a govt TD to go on and defend this, even Barry Ward

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123515118#Comment_123515118

Are the Irish refugee council getting tax payer money? If so, doesn’t that make them a GO?

Galwayguy35

Martin is a disgrace.

The Irish were never a homogeneous group he says.