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Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 01/08/25*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,762 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    An indigenous population consisting of Celts, Anglo Saxons, Vikings, Normans, Galloglasses and the Spanish Armada to name but a few. That indigenous population?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,815 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I agree on the native Irish being a far right dogwhistle. Irish people emigrated en masse after the 2008 crash and nobody cared then. It's only when refugees started appearing that this drivel about taking care of the "native Irish" started doing the rounds.

    Anyway, what I want to see is a functional asylum system where claims are processed fairly and promptly. It's funny how far right commentators never say that though. They just want to spout racist bilge about vulnerable people fleeing war and persecution.

    Anyone can claim asylum but that doesn't mean they get it. This carry on of dumping human beings in hotels to live lives of boredom and misery for months or years on end benefits nobody. At the very least, they should be allowed to work while their claims are processed. It could be a chance to rejuvenate parts of the country that suffer from youth emigration but that would benefit Irish people and the far right can't have that. It needs Irish people to be miserable and suffering in order to thrive.

    I think refugees who get asylum should be welcomed but there needs to be a proper process, proper planning and sensible use of resources.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    There's a potential demographic collapse coming 

    We have one of the highest growing populations in Europe, third highest after Cyprus. Why do we need more migrants when we have severe housing, infrastructure and service capacity problems? Demographic crisis? @Bitcoin, can I ask where you are getting your information from?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,280 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Our infrastructure and services are creaking yet because some of our ancestors fled in the past we must accept an ever increasing number of immigrants, who are putting further strains on systems and having an adverse effect on our own citizens and people who have lived and contributed to the country for years. And thats before you get into the lack of integration and assimilation into Irish society and cultures. Mass immigration is changing the fabric of this country, and we are neither set up for it, nor coping with it.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,984 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    When you have so many more people in their 40s compared to their 20s and under 10, it’s a ticking time bomb. The perfect distribution looks like a pyramid, not a butt plug.

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    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    I will have to defer to your greater knowledge of butt plugs!

    But on a serious note, yes, moderate natural population growth is desirable with regard to providing for older citizens. But having among the highest population growth rate in Europe to the extent that, even with a high number of housing units being built, we can't provide enough accommodation is not the way to go. How are people supposed to save for pensions if they are paying extortionate rent, for example? How are people supposed to form families if they can't afford to move out of their parental homes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,828 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    All assimilated to become part of the Irish nation, a distinct, defined people native to the island of Ireland possessing its own ancient history, language, customs, music, art, mythology, tradition and character.

    The imperial architects of the Plantations, Penal Laws and the famine would be satisfied to see "no such thing as native Irish" attitudes emerging in the 21st century.

    Thankfully, the vast majority of us (yes, we exist) have not staggered so far to the left that we have become ashamed of our own origins, our own people and of ourselves.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 21,759 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Mod: There was a previous instruction to stop the "native Irish" discussion. Please move on from this.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,984 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    The thing about selecting a good butt plug is… sorry wrong forum.


    Again, the solution to the property issues is increased supply. Supply went down in 2024.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    The problem, however, with merely increasing build numbers is that it will result in increased inward migration since housing costs have been identified as a bottleneck on immigration. Thus a combined approach is needed.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,815 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Supply won't be allowed to increase though. Between NIMBYs, people going into negative equity, other vested interests, concerns about who actually builds the houses and so on, it isn't going to happen.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,984 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    People don’t move here for nothing though. If they come here, they’re generally coming to work. Asylum seekers are different of course.

    If you don’t want immigrants, fine then don’t build houses. But I don’t have a problem with them.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Emblematic


    I wasn't suggesting not building houses. I'm not sure how you inferred that from my post. Perhaps I was not clear enough. I was suggesting that merely building houses without having a more focused immigration policy would not result in better housing affordability for the local population since lack of housing is, itself, a bottleneck on inward migration.



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,984 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    it can happen, the will needs to be there though. Right now it simply isn’t.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Nigerians are a nation of migrants who went all over the world. They now need to open their borders and should welcome everyone in with open arms.

    What could possibly go wrong?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,435 ✭✭✭enricoh


    90% of asylum seekers come in from northern Ireland now, can u tell us what they are fleeing from up there?

    Do u live in Ireland?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,135 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Why can't anyone make a point without using Trump/MAGA language ??? …. woke leftists … hmmm … asleep far right zombie who follows MAGA and parrots their language is much worse …… what is wrong with being caring and charitable ??? …. plus the most disgusting leaders/organisations in the world at present like Trump/MAGA, Netanyahu, ISIS, Al Qaeda are ALL far right not left …..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    The idea of democratic decline is really nonsense, what happens when the current immigrants need services and pensions? Just bring in even more etcetera, not very sustainable is it.

    I want a country with a stable tax base that provides public services and housing in a sustainable manner, a viewpoint traditionally on the left. If their is democratic decline it's down to short term political aims and bad planning.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,686 ✭✭✭tom23


    edit



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,815 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    That's what I meant. The will is to keep things as they are with Irish people leaving and people not being able to start families so the property Ponzi scheme can keep going.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,984 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Assuming you mean “demographic decline”, how do we achieve what you propose.

    Do you see the chart earlier? In 15 years time we have a pensions crisis and will need to raise taxes to pay them. Raise them massively

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,984 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,815 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Yep. It is incredibly sad but that's where we are. All too many people care about is their own bottom line and here we are with decaying public services, crumbling infrastructure, emigration, withering communities and so on.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,408 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    There is a difficult decision ahead for the govt in terms of the rent caps. Private investors are turning away from ireland because of the caps, as there is limited ROI for investment funds and better value is to be had elsewhere in Europe.

    This means the number of new homes being built in Ireland will continue to reduce.

    Removing the rent caps will inject investment back into the market and drive new home construction, but it will also increase rent prices in the short term.

    Whether the govt will remove the caps and subsidise the rent increases remains to be seen, but they cannot do nothing; if we carry on as we are, new private home construction will continue to reduce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,408 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Indeed. People need to understand this.

    There will be more people retiring each year than there are people entering the labour force.

    Demand for services and pension drawdowns will increase, while the nunber of people paying for same reduces, year on year.

    There is no way to manage this deficit without controlled immigration.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Private pensions are now basically mandatory with auto enrollment. Mass migration to Europe will smash the well established social security model and leaving the actual working class worse off.

    It obvious that Health care and public infrastructure is also being privatised at an increasing rate yet hardly a peep from politicians on the left.

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,101 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    So to conclude from the comments above the golden era although short lived on this nation are well and truly gone. And it'll get a lot worse.

    That economic recession caused by FF was the catalyst and we'll never recover.

    People growing up now will just need to accept the standard of care they'll be receiving and the pensions won't be anything like what older people get now or were getting.

    We've seen it throughout history. No group of people ever advanced their way of life indefinitely. Even the Roman dream died eventually. Now is our time to decline.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,408 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Or, we can use immigration to help ensure that services are still provided to us and our families when we retire or are in need of healthcare.

    We can use immigration to ensure the workforce stays strong, even as more irish retire vs the number of irish born entering the workforce.

    We can also ensure that tax receipts stay healthy & that funds are available to provide the services we need into the future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,246 ✭✭✭mrslancaster


    Agree. Where posters live and how they might be affected by immigration into the country is never clear. It’s very easy for any non-resident to promote open borders and increased immigration when outcomes will not impact them, in the same way as it’s easy to pontificate and moralise about spending when someone else is picking up the tab.

    Local taxpayers are funding this shambles and it is extremely galling to see billions of our taxes paying for endless supports for refugees/ipas and foreign aid while our government can’t find the funds to reduce the many problems experienced by those very same taxpayers.
    Government should spend our tax revenues to fix our own problems before taking on the problems of others. Our politicians have forgotten they are elected to represent the wishes and needs of Irish people. It is truly bizarre.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,085 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Bringing in unlimited numbers from third world countries with limited English and education will cost us money supporting them and won’t be paying too many pensions



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