Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 01/08/25*

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123490008#Comment_123490008

I’ve proposed multiple solutions, but people want to talk about unrealistic solutions that allow them to act tough on immigration.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123490493#Comment_123490493

Can you list out a few of those multiple realistic solutions.

Galwayguy35

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123490493#Comment_123490493

Maybe it's about time this clueless government acted tough on immigration.

But no fear of that when Martin and Harris are in charge.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123490956#Comment_123490956

That’s exactly what the problem is, I’ve been saying that repeatedly. I refuse to blame the immigrants. I blame the numptys running the country.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123490872#Comment_123490872

Increase the number of Gardaí and admin staff working on asylum claims. Speed up the processing. Deport people quicker once their claims fail.

Punish property and land hoarding, massive punishments of vacant properties and derelict properties. Including CPO.

CPO development land and only sell to developers who guarantee to build in a short time frame.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491104#Comment_123491104

So you do not put blame on anybody arriving here illegally and taking space needed for genuine people in need?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491134#Comment_123491134

People don’t arrive here illegally. They only stay illegally by not leaving when asked to do so.

Most of the people who do that work their arses off.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491153#Comment_123491153

We have seen people arrive in the back of lorries.

There are thousands who turned up in the airport without valid id which is an offence.

How are those people not arriving here illegally?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491174#Comment_123491174

What law have they broken?

RoyalCelt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491241#Comment_123491241

Are you happy to pay a fortune to house people who destroy documents on route here?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491241#Comment_123491241

Ah lads

Headshot

What a sad sad day for Dundrum

This is just heart breaking for the local community, it's just a betrayal by this government, the constant lies after lies.

How could this possibly go ahead with the owner is in court with 3 cases against him

Imagine having 277 IPAS in a village of just over 200 people, if that's not the a great replacement of Irish people I dont know what is

prunudo

The government and faceless officials don't care about you or other communities around the country. You're just another town on another spreadsheet.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491298#Comment_123491298

The reply from the Department shows the fundamental lack of respect - and outright contempt!! - that these civil servants and TDs have for the general public and electorate.

Not a single concern answered, points addressed that weren't asked, and a convenient shirking of any long-term responsibility for the mess caused by palming it off to the Council and Operator (who in turn will undoubtably pass it back to the Department in a never-ending circle of frustration for those living with the consequences).

This isn't anything new mind - as anyone who has ever tried to get a meaningful response from a Government Department or Minister will know, and as these residents have again found out!

What it does highlight most clearly is how fundamentally broken and unaccountable our civil service and political establishment is.

Not surprising really when you have unsackable lifers on inflated salaries and pensions (especially when compared against actual output) and rampant nepotism throughout.

Whoever these people are supposedly "representing", it certainly isn't the native citizens of Ireland!

EDITED TO ADD:

Want to know how the "far-right" and extremism gets started in a society? It's when that society is ignored, marginalised, and betrayed by those charged to protect and represent it though examples like this!

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491369#Comment_123491369

couldn’t say it better myself. These latest IPAS shouldn’t be allowed even because the owner has breached planning rules and the council gave him 4 weeks and no reply since (I believe he has 2 weeks left) but there is no chance in hell of fixing all the issues at Dundrum and the council will be forced to close it down but this council is so incompetent they’ll probably get some extra money from the government to keep quiet

dublin49

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491324#Comment_123491324

I doubt that is true,they just dont know what to do ,there are no easy solutions like hiding centres behind the airport or in old butlins holiday camps .I am sure both officials and TDs wish we werent where we are but they are in crisis mode now and when that happens what was previously unthinkable becomes an unpalatable option.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491413#Comment_123491413

It's not incompetence though. It's the result of staff being underqualified, related and/or inter-married, no performance management (certainly not by private sector standards), no accountability, in the same positions or departments for years or decades, and absolutely no transparency.

It's rife in every State department - public sector or civil service - and the ones who lose out are the citizens and taxpayers these entities are supposed to serve and support. Complain, and you get meaningless nonsense like the above Departmental response.

To be very clear now before I continue… I am not one to support, endorse or advocate for some of the shameful actions we've seen in recent years to try and prevent these enforced resettlements, but I can understand why some would feel so frustrated and disenfranchised that they feel they have no alternative ways to protest.

They should be prosecuted for these offences absolutely, but the underlying fault must equally be at the door of those making these decisions regardless.

H_Lime

No I don't buy that for a second. It's not that they don't care, they don't even consider that they should care.

So long as the right people keep getting the nod to snort cash from the endless debths of the government's pockets the gates will remain open blowing in breeze for pretty much fuc/ing anyone to rock up and "become Irish".

It's a rotten scam that will continue at our cost indefinitely on so many levels.

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491417#Comment_123491417

tell that to Denmark, Poland etc etc

This government deserves no get out clause for this blight when they are effectively endorsing it with their policies

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491241#Comment_123491241

Section 11 of the 2004 immigration act.

It is an offence to turn up without valid id.

dmakc

Unfortunately Covid showed the government that they can bully the electorate at ease. This is easy stuff in comparison.

I always think back to the day the Algerian stabbed three young schoolgirls, not only did he get lost in the news to the rioters, he quickly became an "Irish citizen" (to the relief of some here) stopped by a heroic Brazilian (who was third to the altercation). It's hard beat the narrative. We only hear about the girl's struggling recovery now - never anything about the Algerian.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491433#Comment_123491433

This is the bigger and so far, largely unremarked, problem - the longer-term effects.

Even if we stopped all inward migration right now (which is both impossible and undesireable in the main), we have tens of thousands of people already here who have been validated, legalised and handed citizenship like a cereal box prize by McEntee and the previous Governments. All of these then can bring family and they have been planted in communities all over the country on state supports and social housing in many cases.

This inevitably has an effect on that community - especially when that change is sudden and without the proper supports in place. It leads to resentment and division from the off and rather than integration, seperate communities (native and otherwise) take hold, causing further problems. As an example, anyone remember the massive BLM protests and violence in Blanchardstown a few years back? Or the issues on northern DART lines?

Because these are now legalised citizens (thank you very much Helen!), they have just as much right to remain as the rest of us regardless.

The real problems and fallout will happen in the decades ahead as we've seen in places like the UK. Ireland is not special or immune to the same consequences as we've seen elsewhere - if anything we're probably more at risk because of our small population, and the aforementioned political/Governmental contempt towards anyone raising concerns.

It's the next generation - our children and grandchildren - who will have to live with this, and I very much doubt they'll thank us for it! Even now those same children and grandchildren are being forced abroad (again!) because of the effects of these policies, but as the song goes, we ain't seen nothin' yet!

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491440#Comment_123491440

If they have, charge them and deport them. It isn’t complicated.

Again, I want people deported who aren’t here legally. I just refuse to blame the immigrants or classify asylum seekers as illegal immigrants.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491273#Comment_123491273

You know full well what I think.

Speed up processing, deport quicker.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491518#Comment_123491518

And/or….. implement measures that are still available to us as other countries have done, to both discourage and restrict further migration of those with the hand out on arrival and very little to offer in return.

Even within the straightjacket that is the EU, we've seen other nations (including formally welcoming places like Sweden) take very effective steps to start addressing the problems that have been caused.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491516#Comment_123491516

You cannot absolve people who knowingly and willfully trek across half the continent/planet to land on a small island under false pretences - whether it be in the back of a container, having "lost" their documentation on arrival, or here claiming refuge but who are really economic migrants.

To try to whitewash this is to in fact paint these people as agentless drones who have no say or control over their actions and decisions.

This is clearly and patently not the case. To claim otherwise is naive at best.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491527#Comment_123491527

Why add “new measures” when we don’t enforce the ones we have?

I guarantee we have the right laws.

Goldengirl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491111#Comment_123491111

Or CPO and give to LDA to build social housing .

If the developers don't build within a certain time limit.

Goldengirl

"Ah lads"

Re arriving without documents or by truck boat etc .

Ah lads indeed are we back to this again ?! ..read the OP .

Seeking asylum with or without documents is not illegal under the law. It's remaining without leave that is .

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123491516#Comment_123491516

Anyone seeking asylum here turning up without ID is breaking the law and are here illegally.

There are no wars in Europe or England where they have ID to board a plane and turn up without it at Irish customs.

I agree they should be charged and deported, I am glad you agree and blame them.