Immigration and Ireland - MEGATHREAD *Mod Note Added 01/08/25*

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123485703#Comment_123485703

how much ‘legal Immigration’ do we need? what’s the tipping point? when we see a nice pie chart on rte in four years time showing irish born fist time buyers a very small minority. all you hear is more homes built more homes built. Houses built should be optioned as ‘local needs first to people that are actually born here and are citizens.

prunudo

Irish people are being forced out of buying homes in their own country. That is not right. I don't care about mnc's or their foreign staff. Just because they live here and pay taxes, shouldn't mean they can out bid native people. By all means they can rent but during a housing crisis, they should not be out bidding our own.

We are being replaced in our own country and anyone who can't see that, and the effects it will have on Irish society in the not too distant future needs to wake up before its too late.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123485848#Comment_123485848

No blacks, no dogs, just Irish?

an interesting development.

prunudo

If we don't put measures in place to protect Irish property rights, Irish people will be in a minority of home ownership in a number of years. No amount of quips or name calling can change that fact.

tom23

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123485850#Comment_123485850

crass brian. Wouldn’t expect that from you.

creeper1

The reason for multi national companies investing in Ireland is usually given four reasons.

1. Low corporation tax

2. English speaking

3. European union membership and access to that huge market

4. An educated work force

The last reason is looking on shaky ground if so many are coming in from India on work permits.

I know Indians like the Chinese value education and they'd jump at a chance at living in a first world country.

Why is the education system not producing suitable candidates?

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123485868#Comment_123485868

Crass? I really don’t think so. An interesting comparison from our own past I think.

Brian?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123485871#Comment_123485871

Hiring doe tech jobs is simply a numbers game. We cannot produce enough people with the right qualifications, our population is too low. So we import people to do it.

If there is a single IT or engineering graduate unemployed in Ireland today it’s by choice or a complete inability to interview.

Damien360

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123485792#Comment_123485792

not true at all. As a country we don’t encourage enough into trades. Why, because we don’t pay trades well enough. But, if you are a qualified electrician, you will out earn the vast majority of other trades and be higher paid faster than most graduates from colleges. Other trades are slowly rising in wages by virtue of lack of candidates. College is over egged as a be all and end all in Ireland. But, we also don’t have enough Irish people in colleges. Take a walk across UCD, NUiG and Trinity. It’s mostly foreign nationals.

enricoh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123485897#Comment_123485897

The Multinationals added 1000 jobs between them last year, we issued 150,000 new pps numbers to immigrants last year.

Tell us more about all these tech jobs we can't fill Brian

https://m.independent.ie/business/jobs-growth-at-multinationals-has-ground-to-a-near-halt-official-data-confirms/a783873521.html

enricoh

Home ownership has collapsed in Ireland in the age 20-39 bracket.

7% in that age group own a house, in 2011 it was 22%. If ever anything spelled out the consequences of our open borders lunacy this is it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/05/23/irelands-enduring-failure-housing/

Emblematic

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123485850#Comment_123485850

However were you not in favour of the punitive Spanish measure on non-EU house buyers? No Blacks, No non-EU, just Spanish and EU?

Irish Aris

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123485848#Comment_123485848

So let me get this straight:

I'm not Irish, I'm an EU citizen. I live in Ireland for 14 years now. Are you saying that I shouldn't have any right to buy a property?

creeper1

A foreigner living and working in Ireland is one thing.

A foreigner who is purely an investor without any other connection is another.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486088#Comment_123486088

Like everything around immigration it requires nuance. There should be criteria and rules set in place. But in your case, being a eu citizen and living here 14 years puts you in a differnet category than someone from say India who is here only a wet week.

The current situation is unsustainable, its clear as the nose on my face that Irish people are being pushed out of the market.

How would the citizens of the country you were born in feel if they are being outbid on housing?

Sunny Disposition

Clearly Irish citizens do need to be prioritised for housing in Ireland and there are similiar laws in other countries like Canada and New Zealand.

Obviously it would have to be possible for people who have been living here for many years legally to be exempted.

Unfortunately this is where Ireland is at right now. The level of immigration has been way too high this century, and the country is floundering.

creeper1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486046#Comment_123486046

For sure that is a worrying statistic and I would argue unsustainable.

Another worrying statistic is the 1.2 billion being spent on the IP swindle.

https://www.thejournal.ie/state-spend-billion-on-international-protection-applicants-6623319-Feb2025/

Again I would say was unsustainable.

Yet another is young women emigrating at twice the rate of young men.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41623702.html

That is absolutely devastating demographically lowering the already low fertility rate.

Irish Aris

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486119#Comment_123486119

Noted prunudo.

I asked the question because I wanted to make the point that I find generalisations like that unhelpful. Unfortunately there are occasional comments like this in the thread. And though I know that in most cases I'm not the intended target, they make me feel unwelcome in this country that has been my home all these years.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123485848#Comment_123485848

So you're just peddling the Great Replacement conspiracy theory.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486181#Comment_123486181

You can put whatever name or spin on it. Due to the levels of mass inward migration and population growth, Irish people are becoming a minority. So yes, over time that will mean Irish people are being replaced. Whether thats by design through some big plan, thats not for me to say, but it's clear change is happening.

Backstreet Moyes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486088#Comment_123486088

I am assuming you are working and have every right to be here.

You moved here 14 years ago but things are a lot different now.

We have the fastest growing population in the EU amidst a housing crisis and where only 7% of the Irish people who are in the ideal age bracket for having kids are homeowners.

That is an emergency and in emergency uncomfortable decisions need to be made.

I don't find it unreasonable that Irish people should be prioritized for housing in Ireland.

I don't know where you are from but if your country was in the same circumstances then I would fully support them doing the same.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486199#Comment_123486199

It's nothing more than an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. Irish people were emigrating en masse well before anyone was talking about refugees and nobody cared then while the electorate puts the same parties in power every single time.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486181#Comment_123486181

Not really a theory when the numbers are backing it up as others have illustrated.

Immigration can absolutely be a positive if managed and planned in the right way (which we are currently NOT doing), but the natives should be the primary beneficiaries of it rather than just the new arrivals.

When we have a situation where those natives can't afford to put down permanent roots here and feel they have no choice but to emigrate, that's a big problem!

When those same natives are being outbid on property or finding their access to critical or even basic services curtailed or otherwise negatively impacted because of the impact of supporting the new arrivals, that's another big problem!

There is nothing wrong with a country protecting and supporting the rights of its native citizens. That's a core tenant of the social contract in a democratic country. When those natives are being pushed out/down the line in favour of others, that contract has been broken.

As has been also illustrated in previous posts, other modern first-world countries have policies that support this idea and there is nothing wrong with that - unless someone is a person that sees "offence" everywhere or is terrified of being called an "-ist" by the same others who are taking advantage of the gaps, or who have zero stake or influence in the domestic situation beyond hot air.

Ireland putting the needs and problems of its native population before those of randomers looking to benefit from our (increasingly theoretical) prosperity and freedoms isn't racist or xenophobic or whatever-other-nonsense-you-prefer, it's good sense and part of the State's constitutional obligations to its people.

Anyone who doesn't like that, or the conditions or rules we choose to impose, is free to try their luck elsewhere!

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486211#Comment_123486211

You are the one who mentioned a conspiracy theory, not me. But its an all to familiar play book. Try to shut down people making valid points or observations.

On various threads, we've seen the same old talking points, throwing out anti semitic, people are racist or 'didn't the Irish travel places' as counter arguments for people pointing out how the country is being effected by mass immigration doesn't cut it anymore.

The_Kew_Tour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486181#Comment_123486181

Tbf the Goverment predict it could happen by 2060.

Nothing else to say about it. I be on way out at that stage if I get there but be interesting see how future generations look at it.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486245#Comment_123486245

The victim narrative does not make for a convincing argument. If you want to pretend it isn't antisemitic or racist, that's up to you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486303#Comment_123486303

I doubt it.

The_Kew_Tour

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486322#Comment_123486322

They did. They made 3 projections. It was published in last 3 months.

If you have problem with it best give them call.

I had nothing do with it.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486328#Comment_123486328

I've no interest in researching your point for you.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486211#Comment_123486211

Nah, it's based on bodies like the UN etc using the phrase replacement migration, it's odd for it to be considered a conspiracy theory when it's right in front of us every day and politicians continually talk about having to continually import people to supposedly keep a country going.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123486322#Comment_123486322

Shouting racism, xenophobia, or (weirdly in this case) anti-jewish sentiment(?) doesn't wash anymore. People don't care in the face of not being able to put a roof over their heads, or being forced out of the country because we want(ed) to be the bestest, most generous, most liberal country in Europe!

As I said above, the needs of Ireland's native population and next generation come before the needs of any randomer with a sad story or who is just here to benefit from the work we've collectively done over the past 3 decades. If they don't like it, or think it's mean or unfair, well then no-one is forcing them to stay or come here at all!

When even RTE(!!!) are changing their tune on this whole issue, you know the game is up.