The trans movement

Bobtheman

I wrote a piece on this but am exploring this whole area.

I don't reject it just asking some questions.

I have been called a T. U. R. F.

I don't make money off clicks. I'm just looking for a genuine debate.

The J Stands for Jay

I think it's TERF

Bobtheman

It needs editing which I will get to later. I welcome any criticism

yerwanthere123

This thread will go well.

whisky_galore

Thread closing in 3...2....1

rogber

Love how you misspell terf, talk about establishing credibility from the word go

Boggles

Shít. I misread it. Thought it said "The trains movement".

We have 40 threads on people self scaring the píss out of themselves about trans people they don't know or will never meet.

But we haven't one on Trains!

Booo!

Bobtheman

Id hope they'd read the piece because just shutting down debate is part of the problem with the trans movement.

I'm not denying trans identity just some aspects of it and I generally approach it from the science side

Bobtheman

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dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390630#Comment_122390630

Maybe write a better article and it'll be read more?

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390618#Comment_122390618

Any specific criticism. I thought I made a few good points

elperello

Executive Summary would help.

Bobtheman

The whole araa of autogynephilia was shut down as a topic debate by the trans movement.

There was a sustained and irrational cancelling of Michael Bailey for separating these people out

Bailey is no trans phobic

Stark

Another trans bashing thread, just what this forum needs. 🙄

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390667#Comment_122390667

Whatever you do don't actually read the piece. But comment away. It's balanced enough

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390574#Comment_122390574

Not sure how long this thread will last, but I've just read your article because of it, so there's that.

TBH, despite agreeing with your main idea, the article seems a bit mixed up to me.

For example the bit about intersex seems confused. People with disorders of sexual development are always one of the two sexes, it's just that because of their genital abnormalities it can be hard to know which one they are from external observation. But they really have no link with transgender ideology, and many of them object strongly to trans activists using them as a sort of alibi to try to claim that sex is a spectrum.

Mike Murdock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390624#Comment_122390624

I'll talk about Trains if you want.

One of my favs - The Mercury

dulpit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390676#Comment_122390676

Balanced. Sure.

Children need to know that the vast majority of people who feel trapped in a wrong body will simply become gay and that occasionally people might be persuaded to transition to simply avoid homophbia.

It also seems a lot of liberals are just tacking on the trans movement to other causes without question. Perhaps having missed the LGB early days or not marched with Martin Luther king they don’t want to miss this fight.

Mike Murdock

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390696#Comment_122390696

Not an academic paper really, is it.

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390696#Comment_122390696

To Martin Luther bit not balanced I accept. But the truth is the majority of trans kids will turn out to be gay and homophbia is a factor in some trans decisions. Pretty solid research in that araa. I would not have made the statement otherwise

Ezeoul

You lost me at "trans movement"

That says all I need to know.

eeepaulo

is this a turf train?

Bobtheman

Research shows that some 80% of children with “gender dysphoria” eventually come to terms with their sex without surgical or pharmaceutical intervention. Multiple studies have found that most kids who are confused or distressed about their sex end up realizing they're gay—nearly two-thirds in a 2021 study of boys.14 Dec 2023

Mr. CooL ICE

Fictional, but Big Alice from Snowpiercer looks pretty awesome. Shame about the supply issues

Bobtheman

Sensitive people here. Nobody has a problem with the civil rights movement but with the phrase trans movements?

Bobtheman

My apologies I have been called a terf

I only heard the phrase recently

Mike Murdock

@Bobtheman I get that this is an opinion piece, but you should add in third-party quotes and/or evidence to strengthen your argument. Stating "Google" something in a piece such as this will not help change people's opinions that it is written by a crank.

Which is what you're seeing in responses here.

Cookie_Monster

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390624#Comment_122390624

https://www.boards.ie/categories/train-rail-systems here ya go

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390747#Comment_122390747

Good points. I plan to add them at the end. I find pieces interrupted by quotes etc hard to finish. I will take care of it later.

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390721#Comment_122390721

No issue with the feminist or civil rights movement so?

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390747#Comment_122390747

He actually stated "goggle" 😉

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390847#Comment_122390847

My mistake but you should go back to your family. They must be missing the pedantry

banie01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390860#Comment_122390860

Odd response from someone who welcomes any criticism.

Bobtheman

I have to go. By the time I come back the thread will probably be gone. I will be adding links to research on the piece.

I also want to address the whole issue of gender as a concept. I don't believe it can ever be just a concept. It has some sex basis. Biology.

I'm also amused how people rush to gender silo themselves. We all have male and some female traits these days. Look at modern parenting for example.

Anyway adieu

vival20062

What an odd thing to spend your time doing.

Op, I don't know if you're currently seeking employment but I've read your work and just to let you know that the hiring freeze in the HSE is over and they're looking for admin staff.

HazeDoll

If you're not sure about how to use an apostrophe you should leave it out altogether.

You seem to be addressing the question as an educational matter. The last two lines seem to imply that there are classes and textbooks that address issues of gender and the 'trans movement.' If this is the case you absolutely need to make specific reference to these textbooks. What are the books called? What exactly are they saying? You need quotes and evidence all the way through your article or it just reads like a lot of half@rsed bluster.

If you can't find quotes and evidence then you need to consider the possibility that it's just a lot of half@rsed bluster.

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390958#Comment_122390958

I wrote the piece. I had heard the term TERF but only in passing. I don't really see it's relevance to the article as its a silo term. Trying to box people in

It's not a spam thread if you read the piece which I doubt you did - you'd see that. Everything I wrote is based on fact.

The psychological sciences need to have a warning label around them

If you read books try "drop the disorder" by Jo Watson.

She makes a good case for the over use of psychology

The trans movement has psychological aspects. No problem with that but psychology ain't a hard science

Plus until the movement realises and accepts the difference between a biological female and a trans female it will always be questioned

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390990#Comment_122390990

Good points but everything I wrote is based on fact. I just have to add them in

I checked before I wrote extensively.

I'm just astounded the whole thing has gone this far and women are being told at rallies to stop talking about vaginas.

Bobtheman

https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/the-misogyny-of-trans-ideology

Penn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390860#Comment_122390860

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122390885#Comment_122390885

"...shutting down debate is part of the problem with the trans movement."

faceman

Geez what a pile of toss. Firstly there's no "trans movement", there is a transgender rights movement and has been since the 60s.

Secondly, you equate sexual acts with being gay in your article. Does that mean that any sexual orientation or gender identification isn't relevant until someone has sex?

Thirdly, your article is anti-trans. You made no effort to speak to anyone in trans community for your article. Why not? It would be like me writing article saying Mayo is shite without ever having visited the place.