PC Build

BrenRoche

Hi

I builded a pc about 11 years ago for photography wish I think it’s time to build a updated version. Im looking to run photoshop 2024 and light room.

Im thinking new motherboard and graphics card maybe new processor.

Can anyone recommend something?

Spear

What's the specs on the old one? Some of it may be salvageable/re-usable, but 11 years is a bit borderline.

BrenRoche

intel Core i7 4770 cpu @3.40GHz I think I need to update that

The motherboard is ASUS H87-Pro I don’t think a good graphics card will fit on it

Installed Ram 16 GB

Samsung SSD 840 EVO 250GB

Spear

Oof, that's old tech there. It's DDR3, which is long past. It's so old it even has PCI slots from the 90s. And the CPU isn't supported for modern operating systems from Windows 11 onwards. So any replacement means new CPU, new board and new RAM.

The GPU can be re-used at least, it should be PCI-E x16, which will still fit current motherboards. It'll be long in the tooth, but it can be dealt with separate from the rest due to that.

The software you mentioned likes RAM, and 32GB is fairly cheap.

Is there any budget you're aiming for?

BrenRoche

was thinking about €1500

Coyler

Just build a new system. Only thing that might be worth keeping is the case and the GPU. Probably worth it getting a new case anyway to reduce hassle.

That all said AMD are coming out with new CPUs on the 31st of July so I'd hang on until then. Even if you go Intel there is going to be churn in prices very soon. Wait until then and we'll see where we are then.

BrenRoche

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122323638#Comment_122323638

Thanks not in any hurry so will hold off till then

Spear

Some slightly rambling thoughts then.

If you're not one for regular upgrades, then you'd want a platform with longer term support, and that only leaves AMD. Intel still insist on switching sockets every 20 minutes or so.

On the AMD side, there's still the AM4 and AM5 sockets. AM4 is in it's twilight years, so that only leaves AM5 with any long term future.

The new CPUs from AMD out in a few weeks are for AM5, the Ryzen 9xxx series. The middle offering is the 9600, which rumours suggest will retail for a shade over €300. There's no word on the newer X800 series motherboards yet though, they may not appear till September.

Alternately, you could go for the slightly older Ryzen 7xxx series. They're still solid, and a bit cheaper.

But on the 9xxx side you could go for

Ryzen 9600 ~€320

Peerless Assassin cooler ~€50

an X860 MB ~€150 to €200

32 GB DDR5 €120.

1 TB nvme SSD ~€80.

That would still leave €700 to cover a GPU and any other bits. You wouldn't need much in the way of a GPU admittedly, and the 9xxx series have an integrated one. But I'd still recommend a new PSU and case. A new PSU would be safer given newer higher power demands, and with the case, it would leave your old machine intact, and a backup machine isn't a bad thing to have.

K.O.Kiki

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122334602#Comment_122334602

Bad/outdated advice there.

7800X3D is a better buy than 9600 - more cores + 3D V-cache

Phantom Spirit is a better cooler than Peerless Assassin (barely). They're around 35-40eur

For 125eur you can get 48GB DDR5 (2x24)

I'd rather recommend a 2TB SSD at ~105eur - more storage + better lifespan.

Spear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122335744#Comment_122335744

Does the photo software benefit from the cache though? Photoshop doesn't scale well past even dual core, and Lightroom only has some limited ability to make use of more cores.

BrenRoche

Do you know any websites where I can buy from?

rob808

There a few paradigit.ie,amazon.de, caseking.de. It depends on what your looking for there also ggmachines.ie.

cornholio509

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122335744#Comment_122335744

Its not a gaming rig . No need for a 7800x3d or any X3d CPU .

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122335838#Comment_122335838

Photoshop does indeed seem to be one of those programs that is suited to more cores . Looking at its recommended specs its seem core count and ram capacity make a bigger difference than actual clock speeds . Looking at benchmarks X3d CPUs dont seem to give much if any uplift in photoshop .

Now as far as CPUs intel CPUs in benchmarks far outperform AMDs in photoshop . However on the other hand AMD CPUS are far more power efficient when it comes to work done per watt compared to intel . SO it's a catch 22 on that end . Performance Vs efficiency .

@BrenRoche

You have a few options . I suppose its down to what you want at the end of the day . My advice is not to go last generation AMD CPUs . Wait for a few weeks when the 9000 series is launch and you should be able to build a decent PC for your needs cheaper than if you go and build it now . 7000 series CPUs without the 3Dv cache ("X3D") will drop in price a good bit . I would recommend a ryzen 9 7900 on an X670E motherboard when prices drop . You will be able to build a very powerful PC a good bit cheaper as people rush to buy the next big thing from AMD . X670E motherboards have an onboard I/O controller giving you more PCIE lanes , that way you have plenty of expansion for later upgrades . 32GB of ram and you should be good to go .

The downside of going last gen AM4 socket CPUs on AMD . Most of them do not have IGPUs ("Integrated Graphics Unit") . Those that do performed slower . So a GPU purchase would be a must and increase your costs . ALL AM5 CPUS have an IGPU and still outperform the last generation CPUs by a good margin .

ON the intel side i would go with a 13th gen intel I7 CPU or higher . 14th gen doesn't offer much in the way other features you might need . Now as for intels 15th gen which is probably going to be announced soon . I would probably avoid it like the plague . According to leaks intel are dropping multithreading . THis could be a big performance hit . On the other hand they are going for the more cores approach . SO its currently an unknown as to what will happen that platform . We could see high performance gains because there will be more cores . Or we could see huge performance hits because there is no multithreading . Again this is a leak so not sure but since intel are disabling multithreading on their server CPUs unless you pay for it . I can see them doing the same on the consumer market .

As for a GPU you should need one upfront as long as you stay away for intel cpus without an IGPU . Type intel ark into your browser to check CPU specs . Now if you need a dedicated GPU i would not rule out intels offerings here especially at their price tags . They dont fall far behind NVIDIAs performance and cost half as much . Agian the king here is nvidia . I dont know if you video edit . However if you do for scrubbing through footage Nvidia performance is unbeatable . Its the cost of NVIS that makes you think again .

Now as for purchasing parts there are irish sellers and you always have amazon . SO shop around as sometimes irish sellers can have better prices than amazon or other EU counterparts . Another point i would try to make is to stay away from gamer branded motherboards . You do pay 100 Euro or more just for gamer branding or aesthetics .

Jon Doe

I haven't touch image/video processing rigs in a long time, but last time I checked this kind of work didn't benefit much from fast IO… One thing that was common across the board was that the product files and all the intermediary processing stages took a lot of space… Back then storage space and sequential IO speed were kings… did that change? How so?

BrenRoche

Sorry been sick for awhile couldn’t get back to you all.

I’m going to buy the parts on Black Friday hoping to get something off.

I,m going for the following parts any advice would be appreciated.

Corsair 3000D Airflow mid tower Case

MSI x670E Gaming Plus WiFi Motherboard

Fixwot M2 SSD 2TB NVMeSSD PCie Gen4

Crucial Pro DDR Ram 48GB Kit (2x24GB) 6000MHz

AMD Ryzensets 5 7600 Processor

ASUS GeForce RTX 4060LP BRK OC Edition 8GB GDDR6 Gaming Graphics Card

Thermalright phantom spirit 120 CPU Cooler 7*6mm heat

Have I got everything to build or do I need anything else

Brendan

minitrue

You haven't listed a power supply which you will need. The Cooler Master MWE Gold 750 V2 is already at a great price on Amazon Germany for example. The "Ryzensets" gives away that you are looking on Amazon UK but unless Black Friday does you a lot of favours their prices aren't great at all there generally for quite a while now.

I really wouldn't get that M.2, stick with the big brands for an OS/only drive. Given your use-case and budget I'd go with a premium pci-e 4.0 drive so Samsung 980/990, Kingston Fury Renegade, WD SN850X for some examples.

I think that ram might be very high latency at CL48, for 6000MHz ideally you want CL30 but CL36 at least is probably roughly the same price anyway as that Crucial Pro stuff.

That's a low profile graphics card you have picked and you only want those when you need it to fit in a small case because they have smaller and hence louder fans.

Your motherboard choice is interesting. Maybe it makes sense if you really want the pci-e slots it offers but I'd lean towards an X870 board for the usb4 if spending that sort of money on some future proofing rather than a very normal B650 board.

Something like the following would be pretty much the same price as what you were looking at from Amazon UK on today's prices (about €1300 without the power supply) with the board/ram/ssd and case all upgraded:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600 3.8 GHz 6-Core Processor (€202.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Phantom Spirit SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (€36.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: ASRock X870 Pro RS WiFi ATX AM5 Motherboard (€239.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Kingston FURY Beast 64 GB (2 x 32 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory (€221.39 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Kingston Fury Renegade 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€133.81 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Asus DUAL EVO OC GeForce RTX 4060 8 GB Video Card (€289.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Corsair 4000D Airflow ATX Mid Tower Case (€95.10 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Power Supply: Cooler Master MWE GOLD 750 V2 FULL MODULAR 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€77.20 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Total: €1295.30 (more like €1360 by the time it's shipped here)

I also swapped the case to the 4000D instead of the 3000D as the 3000D is a 4000D with corners (like a front usb-c port) cut out.

On today's pricing I ended up sticking 64GB of 6000CL30 in there, good chance you'll find some sensible ram among the BF offers. Ideally a Ryzen 9600 or 7700 would go in there if you're still happy with the original budget but at today's prices I couldn't bring myself to put it in.

If you would rather cut the budget you would certainly still be happy with a B650 board and 32GB of ram to save about 200 but I stuck with the above on the basis that in 5-10 years time the pci-e 5.0 slot and usb4 might have ended up meaningfully useful to you along with copious ram and also just more to stick to the spirit of what you had come up with yourself.

BrenRoche

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122848060#Comment_122848060

Thanks for your advice, I'm going with your recommendations just under 1300 with delivery.

Thank you

BrenRoche

just a quick question, should I go windows 10 or windows 11.

minitrue

Linux! Sorry, couldn't resist ;)

I'd presume 11 for a new install at this point seeing as though 10 is going to drop support in under a year. There have also been AMD scheduler updates which improved performance but I don't think they've made it to Windows 10 and guess they never will.

BrenRoche

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122913954#Comment_122913954

Thanks

BrenRoche

Motherboard was not working when I builded computer, have been trying to get new one since last week can't get new one.

Can anyone tell me another motherboard that I can get?

Spear

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123144234#Comment_123144234

How was it not working? It's unlikely to be DOA, it's far more likely there's some minor detail missed or wrong, like the power switch on the wrong pins.

BrenRoche

I left it into a computer shop it was them that told me,

Skyknight

You build it yourself? Did you get them to check the Motherboard for trace defects\wiring issues. If the machine never worked, then it sound like it could be the fuse on the Motherboard. I gather you been in touch with the company you bough it from about returning it?

BrenRoche

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123144601#Comment_123144601

The led lights came on on the motherboard nothing else would work so I left it in to see if they could get it working he checked it out and told me the motherboard was gone it needs a new one. I got back onto Amazon and they told me it was a refurbished motherboard which I did not know at time of buying it so I send it back got my money back. Now looking for a new one

Skyknight

Damn man…it should have been advertised as refer refurbished machine 😡 You send back the machine or is it just a Motherboard you are looking for?

gibgodsman

You do not need a GPU for either of those programs, integrated GPU would be fine and if you really must buy one for multi monitor support id be going a 3050 or something similar, and that is absolutely only if you need it.

I built the following PC in december for just under €1000 all in so this will give you an idea

Benq GW2790E - €113.69

Asus H610M-A Motherboard - €111.93

1TB WD Black - €70.28

Corsair 32gb 3200Mhz DDR4 - €60.44

Thermaltake 700w TR2 - €50.93

Core I5-12400F - €132.54

MSI Mag FOrge M100R Mini Tower PC case - €80

RTX 4060 - €310

Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo - €40

Gaming Mouse & Keyboard combo - €30

You could take away the 4060, put a 3050 or something low end from AMD or Intel and it will be perfectly good for what you need, I know this because I work in a printers who uses Photoshop and Lightroom daily

BrenRoche

Just a motherboard

BrenRoche

I have everything got just the motherboard was not working mine only cost €1200, so I'm just looking for a motherboard to go with my build

Skyknight

Here are a couple of suggestions …the parameters can of course be altered as required:

https://www.caseking.de/en/pc-components/mainboards/amd-mainboards/socket-am5?page=1&pmax=234%2C00&pmin=155%2C00&prefn1=pim_memory_type&prefn2=pim_motherboard_formfactor&prefv1=DDR5&prefv2=ATX

https://www.paradigit.ie/components/motherboards/price/71-234/brand/stock/indays/feature/9E2F5ED%2C36057BD0%2CEAC45E31%2C958BE0AA/sorting/Popularity/page/1