Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 06/06/25

duploelabs

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122403198#Comment_122403198

Michael Graham.

Love this bit of Miggly D taking him to the cleaners, just listen until the end as the points he makes then are very relevant today

https://youtu.be/B5OWRRJh-PI?si=OKBCWyeuvGVpAscn

Detritus70

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122404403#Comment_122404403

It's always the same. I need to print a bingo card:

Both sides! Democrats are the Nazis! I'm not a Trump supporter, but! We were better off four years ago! Sure he didn't mean it like that ! He never said that! He's not a rapist! He's not a racist! Well, he didn't call *all* Mexicans rapists and drug-dealers! Biden is old! Biden wears diapers! No, it's totally different with Trump! Those wimminfolk and gays have enough rights already! Something, something woke! Something, something murdering babies! Something, something Jesus! 'Murica!

They just repeat the same old tired nonsense over and over and over again. It's just to create noise in the debate and turn serious debaters off so they'll leave the thread. It's just flooding the zone with sh1t.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122404601#Comment_122404601

Well considering this is the Donald Trump thread, if anyone wishes to discuss Donald Trumps strategy the other evening and his 90 minute “speech” and whether it was a clever or dumb move I’m more than willing to engage.

Detritus70

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122404942#Comment_122404942

That would be 90 minutes of my life I'll never get back, you couldn't pay me to watch him speak for 5 minutes. Anything he says is just verbal diarrhoea.

It's the equivalent of one guy distracting you while the other guy steals your wallet. Whilst Trump spews bulls1t, we'd want to watch what's happening around him coughProject2025cough.

Whatever comes out of Trump's mouth is of zero importance or interest.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122404974#Comment_122404974

so I’ll take that as a no so.

looksee

The only slight consolation is that towards the end - I saw bits of it - the camera panned across the audience and the audience looked bemused and bored, and completely switched off.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122404942#Comment_122404942

He lied his ass off for the whole speech about the economy, crime, immigration etc
Well, it would have been pretty dumb to be honest wouldn't it?

Why bother with the truth and the reality when you can rile up your base with lies?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/18/trump-rnc-fact-check

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122405033#Comment_122405033

Indeed they did as would most normal people- the thing was though, he wasn’t trying to convert the converted - his whole aim with that “rant” was to hit the tv watching audience at home- he had 90 minutes to “convert” them- over that time millions of Americans would tune in for even 5-10 mins - that was his goal- talk to them.

My question is, should he have taken a different tack?

By all accounts this “speech” could have been a repeat of 2016 in many parts - Hannibal lector included.
I think he wasted an opportunity and should have hit different notes, new notes, notes that would reach undecided voters - they’ve heard all this drivel before - they need something new to convince them - that’s why they’re undecided.
Trump won in 2016 because he was clever with what he said- but he needs to introduce new and updated concepts if he’s to win over and keep undecided voters.

Whether he thinks he needs to I guess is down to just how much ahead he thinks he is at this stage - but I think it’s too early to be complacent

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122405198#Comment_122405198

To hit new notes, he would actually need some policies. Some ideas, some concepts. He doesn't because he doesn't have any.

Blame foreigners, cut taxes for his friends, leech from the federal purse. that's the limit of his ability.

Anything that a normal candidate would use is always just a week away

tarvis

if Trump fails to get the votes in November will he accept the result?

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122405221#Comment_122405221

OK in fairness he has no policies new or otherwise🤪

- I know he’s “promising” opening up new oil wells so I assume that’s his two fingers to the green agenda .

It was a strange statement to make at the start saying he wanted to reunite the whole country- and then revert to type - it made no sense to me at the time to do this - but now that I’m thinking back, unless he figured it would be this part of the speach that would get repeated in news bulletins - which of course it did - maybe not so thick afterall

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122405241#Comment_122405241

If it’s anyway close, no he won’t - I think we’ll get an idea of just how Trump thinks he’s doing about 2 weeks out from election day- if he’s talking about voter fraud blah blah blah then for me that’s a sign he thinks he’ll loose - if he’s way ahead I doubt we’ll hear a word about that end of things

nachouser

I will be disappointed if he isn't shilling Make Ears Great Again bandages on some website soon.

looksee

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122405241#Comment_122405241

No. He has already indicated that.

bog master

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122405529#Comment_122405529

He will accept the results only if he wins!

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122405275#Comment_122405275

Didnt he promise coal jobs last time round?

Saying what he thinks republican voters want to hear and having actual prices are completely different things

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122405241#Comment_122405241

He said he would if it was a fair election, so that would be a no again.

tarvis

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122405729#Comment_122405729

So four more TantrumP years while the planet burns. Puts Nero’s fiddling in the halfpenny place.

everlast75

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1814755175963214328

.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfX8kriY2D8

Jim Jones style fellowship

PropJoe10

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122405911#Comment_122405911

Rightio. Why do you think he got 74 million votes? Why do you think he's popular? Would you care to actually share your thoughts or are you just going to work in generalisations like most people who come here accusing people of posting rubbish?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122405954#Comment_122405954

I dont know if one person can know the actual answer. It is only through debate and actual open dialogue that an answer to that can be established. A "reasonable" answer at least. It is the one thing that truly annoys me about the dems in the US. When they lost 8 years ago, they didnt bother asking that very question. "Why" did he get so many votes.

As I said I can only give my opinion. It doesnt mean I am right at all. But by people discussing, then maybe an acceptable conclusion can be drawn.

I think* he is popular because he has made it "us" (Non politicians) against them (actual politicians). Just look at his party now. They look closer to the centre than the left do. The working class seem to be more on his side. That WWE as an example.

Some here will remember the story line of Stone Cold Steve Auston against Vince Mcmahon. For those who look down on that comparison, just think, a very powerful boss who doesnt really care about his employees. Then an employee who rebels and gets his chance to fight him. That story line was successful because it resonated with the common person. The person who has a sh*t job and feels like they get no thanks for it. Its the same thing here. "The Government" are all in it together. "They dont care about you". "I am going to get rid of them and drain the swamp". Yes of course the low IQ will be all for that. But so will the working class common person. They will see the high taxes they pay. They see the cost of living go up. They are tired of the same political promises every 4 years. Its the Stone Cold Vince storyline all over again but played out in real life. Thats why the court cases make his fans dig in. They see "Stone cold" getting arrested. Thats part of my theory. There are a few more reasons but I think that one is a big one.

Atlantic Dawn

He seems back to his best 😁

looksee

From the start, this thread has been trying to understand why Trump is so popular. Its true there is post after post of discussion negative to Trump, but that is mostly because it is virtually impossible to say anything positive about him. If there were anything positive why have the Trump enthusiasts not mentioned it?

In virtually every case his apologists come on and do what you have just done, they complain about the bias against him but don't give any convincing reasons why we should have a more positive attitude to him.

Please, instead of throwing insults around and daring mods to warn you (for what? Be civil and you won't get warned) give us some actual meat to discuss.

'Saying they are just dumb is missing the point' - ok tell us what is the point? What should we be aware of that we have apparently missed?

Leroy42

It isn't hard to understand why people support Trump. There are myriad reasons but some of them:

• They are staunch Republicans and will support anything on that side
• They are in difficult circumstances and blame the dems for that
• They agree with Trumps position on Ukraine
• They agree with Trumps position on immigration
• They are fed up with the current political situation and believe that Trump says when he says he will fix it.
• They hate how USA has changed and become more liberal and want to return to past days when others knew their place.

What is difficult to understand is why they are willing to put aside all his lies, his corruption, his fraud, his sexual assaults, his ripping off of Charities, his lack of respect for democracy, his attempt to overturn an election, his continued failure to accept the last election result, his poor performance in every election since 2016, his failure to make good picks for every job he has given in his administration.

None of that, and much more, seems to matter more than what these people personally believe Trump can do for them.

It isn't hard. It's just petty selfishness and me-feinism.

When Trump supporters post on here with a grain of truth and honesty that despite all they know of Trump they hate the other stuff so much they are prepared to put up with anything, then we can have proper debate.

But unfortunately, all we get is this 'two sides' lines or the 'I'm not a supporter but' line. And Biden is old. Before that it was HC was horrible.

The multiple and serious reasons why people don't support him have been given multiple times by numerous posters on this thread.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122406047#Comment_122406047

The fact is that anyone who tries to not say anything anti Trump is labled on boards as an apologist.

Regarding saying "positive" things about Trump, I am not saying we have to come here and say how shiny his teeth are. But look at the assassination thread. People genuinely replied "I cant stop smiling". You can talk about a subject without it just being "everyone who supports Trump is a Rape Apologist". I mean what sane person would even bother getting into an actual discussion. In fact I was on here yesterday and had some back and forward. People didnt agree with me and that is fine. Its called debate. I was reported and warned for saying someone was "talking rubbish" (I sh*t you not). But I am not questioning mods. I am sure that was an infraction. But for someone to report that just shows the level of maturity. I was called "dull" and compared to a white supremacist just because someone didnt agree with me.

I have given you one of my points and instead of discussing it, you are saying I am throwing insults around. I mean if you are getting offended by my insult of "not a serious poster around here" then ffs this place is lost!!!

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122406069#Comment_122406069

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. But the problem is all the negative stuff doesnt mean anything.

Lets say everyone here decided we were going to put together the replacement for Joe Biden.

Are we going to just choose someone who we think is a good choice and take our chances

or

Do we try to understand what we can do better with our message.

Sure we can say "but Trump did this" but his base doesnt care. As you said. So how do we get through to those people. When I said "it doesnt mean anything", I mean its a lazy excuse (no offense intended. Not aimed at you personally). Its like saying "sure we cant win the Premier League because Man City cheated". I mean sure, you are right (probably), but saying that isnt going to win the PL.

If people are willing to ignore "Lies, Corruption, fraud, sexual assault and ripping off charities" they must believe that the other side are doing the exact same or worse. There has to be a reason they ignore that stuff. So when debating it, instead of calling someone an apologist, have you found out what they think about the Dems? Because it is 100% not just because Biden is old. If it was then why wouldnt they vote for Harris as replacement? Why not Hilary? Why not Newsome, Pritzker, Whitemer? Its not just Biden!

Stop being blinded by the line "I am not a Trump fan but……….". Some people genuinely are not and are like to see both sides. I am not a flat earther but I have watched multiple docs about it because I find them insane. It is normal to ask questions about things you dont agree with.

PsychoPete

Has Trump just recently seen silence of the lambs or something? The mentions of hannibal lecter are odd

sonofenoch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122406047#Comment_122406047

What does it matter about you having a more positive attitude to him, am assuming most here can't even vote against or for him so who cares…..he's not woke at all not pc at all so will never fly for a certain demographic, the type who like to talk the most others are just a little bored of all that

Is he a likeable man is Biden? what politicians are truly ever likeable ….what is fact is he'll get multi millions of votes in his favour (as will Biden) why? doesn't really need explaining to you you're not that important

Could those with 'post after post of discussion negative to Trump' ever debate or critique the man the same way in person? I doubt it I doubt it very much, but will talk on the internet till the cows come home for sure ….C'est la vie