Donald Trump the Megathread part II

Patrick2010

America deserves everything coming to it, all their local GOP reps voted for Trumps bill to give money to his billionaire backers at the expense of the poor.

The Hispanics for Trump who voted in such large numbers for him will see a lot of themselves or neighbors end up in alligator Alcatraz or in El Salvador

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123602819#Comment_123602819

ICE is a cooler name than Rosgvardia. I suspect it will end up armed like a military force, one which already seems above the law.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123602853#Comment_123602853

This will just empower the ICE agents to be more aggressive than before.

I dread to think of a bad scenario in some of this…

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123602853#Comment_123602853

It should be remembered that there are only so many illegal immigrants you can round up and deport, and a movement like MAGA always needs an internal enemy to rally against and justify its actions to itself.

So, as they say in the states, 'do the math'.

pad406

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123602629#Comment_123602629

And the $ is down more than 10% since Jan, so relatively they are actually down 5%

Wolf359f

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123602880#Comment_123602880

Exactly, there's plenty of 'enemies' MAGA can target and detain now and with a $150 billion budget they have little to no restrictions.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123602880#Comment_123602880

Only this week, Trump was spouting the idea of rounding up American criminals and deporting them as well.

thereiver

The supreme court has enabled trump to almost have the power of a king There's a whole new system of digital surveillance which is plugged into the IRS tax system and medical and employer records along with traffic plate camera recording system .This is made worse by apps and meta giving data to data brokers . Data brokers will sell data to Ice the FBI or anyone who has a small company .Theres basically no consumer data privacy laws in the USA and the agencys which might look after consumers rights are being taken over by Doge and neutered or most of the employees are being laid off. In the next few years millions of people will lose their jobs to AI They,ll discover they have no medical insurance .

The system should have checks and balances and the Senate Congress. to limit the power of trump but the problem is the supreme court has a conservative majority who seem to bend the rules and ignore legal precedent if it helps trump .

Another 4 trillion in debt could cause the cost of borrowing for ordinary Americans to be higher than it should be .

It seems every day some company announces 1000s of layoffs . America is not in recession but it s not a good time to be optimistic about the economy .

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123602899#Comment_123602899

Trump used to be careful about delineating between criminal illegal migrants and ones who were innocent. At least he said in one of his first big speeches, "and some, I assume, are good people…." OK, not much, but over time that's gone down to where it's now a case that the very act of coming in illegally is a criminal offence worthy of deportation, no matter how long you've been there and contributed and lived peacefully etc.

So, given that kind of form, deportation of 'natives' would follow a similar line where promises made to deport only the most chronically dangerous/troublesome would give way to pretty much anyone the Trump administration pleases.

thereiver

The problem is the democratic party is the party of the upper class rich. They have lost touch with the ordinary voter especially male and Latino voters. They don't seem to be able to make a case or explain why they should get in power or what they can do for ordinary people .

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123602914#Comment_123602914

The Republican party is led by a man with a golden apartment atop a skyscraper, who constantly boasts about his wealth, and has probably made more money in office than at any other point in his life, and is now being backed by several of the most obscenely wealthy men in America, including Bezos, Zuckerberg and Altman.

Both party leaderships are run by the wealthy, but the Republicans just figured a better message to work over the rubes.

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123602819#Comment_123602819

And AOC will be on their hit list. She's as legitimate as target to Miller as any Latino, possibly moreso.

Night of the long knives, US style, incoming.

thereiver

Trump has used the presidency to launch a digital currency which has made him millions and has also weakened regulations on cryptocurrency in terms of making it easy to avoid paying taxes digital transactions Of course the republican party has got large donations for crypto company's and tech company who want to avoid regulation

My name is URL

Imagine explaining this bit of history to a grandchild of some sort.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q86g1aop6a8

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123602880#Comment_123602880

One thing, hopefully, the people steering and monetizing I.C.E will forget and that is if they run out of friendly countries to accept the deportees they will end up with a lot of locked-up people and the public aware of where the camp is located. There are other locations around the U.S which the Trump admin has been selectively using to hold prisoners so that he can keep one step ahead of the detainees lawyers and court moves.

Trump has an immigrant figure in his head which he keeps going on about, which his team might know is only propaganda to keep the MAGA heads happy that Trump is doing something about the invasion of "murderers, rapists, drug-dealers harming the U.S.", but which people in the U.S will think is real. Those people include listeners from across the voting populace who will not like such a camp in their state or neighbourhood.

All the detained persons will have lots of family and in-laws in the U.S. who are too many for ICE to gather in and lock up no matter how good and how well financed they are. Trump wont be able to disperse the voting whirlwind he has agitated.

If the proverbial hits the fan next year when people start demanding accountability from the GOP, will Trump try throwing DeSantis under the (it was all his idea) bus or will Governor DeSantis decide to transfer all legal responsibility to Trump's Federal team? Who is tasked with the security of the Everglades camp anyway - federal or state services?

I suggest that the GOP governors of other states are watching what is happening in the Everglades in Florida hoping that Trump's Homeland Security people doesn't ask them to give a helping hand with a secure facility in their states.

newhouse87

Looks like EU are going to cave to baseline 10% tariffs in hope of relief from tariffs on autos, pharmaceuticals and semi conductors which the US had not indicated it will give any concessions on anything yet. Unfortunately trump is getting his way with everything whether we like it or not. The notion that the US consumer will have to pay more is a win for the Eu is nonsense. No countries seem to be willing to take pain to make trump blink only china. EU is giving and giving here and getting nothing in return.

Akrasia

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123602819#Comment_123602819

This was the worst part of the bill.

ICE will be the Trump gestapo, and now they have more than enough resources to go full scale fascist

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123603026#Comment_123603026

Who pays the import tariffs?

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123603033#Comment_123603033

The point of tariffs is to make EU products less desirable to us consumers due to higher price and they will in turn buy us products. Why would the EU and China etc be looking for less % tariffs if it was good for them to have higher tariffs? Thought EU would be tougher but looks like they are beginning to crack. We are getting no concessions from the US.

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123603039#Comment_123603039

How does it look like that?

There has been no deal regarding trade between the US and the EU.

Can you show where the EU as you claimed getting no concessions?

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123603046#Comment_123603046

Reading multiple reports from various media outlets the general consensus is the EU are going to agree to baseline 10% tariffs in hope of deal on other sectors while also buying more LNG. Many reports have said no US concessions on anything yet. Like it or not trump is getting his way. If all countries were willing to take some pain for while, trump would have to u-turn but everybody is looking after their own interests rather then thinking of bigger picture. Obviously time will tell if the above turns out as reported.

Ha Long Bay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123603049#Comment_123603049

Great post them reports so other posters can have a look.

newhouse87

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123603051#Comment_123603051

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/03/eu-closing-in-on-framework-deal-with-us-to-avoid-trump-50-tariffs

There is one today, many others online. Quick search you will find.

FishOnABike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123602912#Comment_123602912

So, given that kind of form, deportation of 'natives' would follow a similar line where promises made to deport only the most chronically dangerous/troublesome would give way to pretty much anyone the Trump administration pleases. who displeases the Trump Administration.

FTFY

CelticRambler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123603026#Comment_123603026

History shows us that the EU doesn't "cave" when it does trade negotiations. If it has decided that a flat 10% tariff on EU→US imports is the lowest they can expect, then they'll be pragmatic and ensure that they get something useful in return. Just because the current US government is so incompetent in trade negotiations, and hasn't yet been able to offer concessions on their side, doesn't mean that it won't happen. Chances are the EU will agree a "deal" that Trump will be able to brag about but that delivers no benefit to the US … like upping their beef quota, for example, when they can't fill the quota that already exists.

Igotadose

The Social Security Administration, yet another mouthpiece for the Project 2025 team. Oh, they didn't eliminate the tax - just changed the deduction. Never expected to see such self-serving pom-pom waving in my inbox.

Timberrrrrrrr

Trump: we're gonna have a UFC fight on the Whitehouse grounds.

An absolute laughing stock

https://twitter.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/1940968496999158052?t=Y6vs_uXAZSxFNup7T0j0yQ&s=19

Field east

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123602912#Comment_123602912

Psomeone please enlighten me here

.(1) If someone entered the US illegally in 2023 cane after one year he /she becomes a US citizen AND has the papers to prove it. Is he/ she treated as an illegal in Trump’s eyes and therefor Can be deported on that basis.

(2) if someone entered the US illegally in in 1970=and has ‘no papers of any sort , are they ‘eligible to be deported?
(3) If someone entered the US in 1935= illegally and has ‘ no papers of any sort’ , are they ‘eligible’ to be deported. Or has there been a year or age selected at which there is a cut off point?

Peregrinus

Trump's position is more extreme than any of these. He asserts that

• people who are not citizens can be deported if an executive order permits that, regardless of their visa status
• people who have a regular visa status, and who have always had a regular visa status since they first arrived in the US, can have their visas revoked and can be deported
• people who have been naturalised can have their naturalisations revoked by executive action and can be deported
• birthright citizens of the US — people born within the borders of the US — can have their citizenship revoked by executive order and can be deported.

The first two points in fact represent the law, or something close to it, but these are laws that the Trump regime seeks to apply far more vigorously and far more indiscriminately than any previous administration ever did.

The latter two points are novel, and have been challenged in the courts.

bog master

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123603187#Comment_123603187

Does this mean under point 3, TACO man could deport Melania?