Donald Trump the Megathread part II

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123600915#Comment_123600915

I no longer have any time for the "left behind" narrative. One leaves keys or a phone behind, not millions of people.

The US is a democracy, albeit a deeply flawed one. The hole in the left behind narrative is that people in red states have spent generations voting for a party that actively despises them and we see the result time and time again.

I could maybe have sympathised in 2016 but the response of these places is to harden and deepen their support so here we are again. Biden deliberately went out of his way to help places like this and it didn't change their minds one bit. I used to think that all they wanted were good jobs and purchasing power but clearly a lot of Republican voters only care about making the other suffer.

For a country that loves to beat its chest about free speech and being number one, there seems to be a real culture of sycophancy and anti-intellectualism over there. Anything goes so long as certain sacred cows such as the second amendment are never seriously questioned.

It's disgusting seeing them act as victims now when they had their choice between a competent leader and the parasite they actually chose.

randd1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123600993#Comment_123600993

I have no sympathy for Americans.

Half of them voted exactly for this. They wanted this cruelty, they wanted this us vs them conflict. If it bites them in the hole and takes chunk out of them, then good, I hope they suffer immeasurably for their deplorable politics.

The other half who didn't vote for this are too weak and punched drunk to even take a unified stand against it. If this was any European country who's government was doing what Trump's administration is doing, there'd be constant protests until there was a change of government. If it was Spain or France, there'd be violent riots, and I'm not sure that wouldn't be the case elsewhere either.

Land of the free and home of the brave? Fells more like the land of cult and the home of the cuck.

They deserve everything they get. They want Trumpism, they now exactly what it is and they wanted it, so let them suffer under it. And I hope the suffer bad, teach them a lesson that they'll either learn, or won't heed and fall away because of it. I hope it's a particularly painful lesson either way, and it's shaping up to be.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/02/kilmar-abrego-garcia-tortured-cecot

Kilmar Abrego Garcia who was illegally deported to El Salvador was subjected to torture. This also raises the fact huge numbers have been subjected to torture as a result of Trump's deportations. To all those who jump into the thread to praise Trump, you are supporters of this ultimately.

thatsdaft

Weren’t the likes of Kermit complaining about us debt under Biden

Yet now cheer for another 3 trillion that be added on?

https://www.vox.com/politics/418599/one-big-beautiful-bill-act-details-explained

thereiver

Trump always said he will not cut medicare the sad thing is this bill will hurt all middle class voters and all working class voters s eg 90 per cent of trump voters cutting tax breaks to solar wind energy is crazy in the face of high demand for more power generators. It also kills an industry that has 100,000 workers who all pay tax it makes no sense at all it's estimated 50ooo people will die every year for lack of access to healthcare it also makes it more expensive for any woman who wants to have children it's a truly evil cruel bill that will shape the whole American economy for years to come

For Petes Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123601057#Comment_123601057

In fairness to Musk (shudder), he's the only one still going on about that.

Obviously he's doing it for his own gain rather than for any love and care of Americans but still.

Apiarist

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123601033#Comment_123601033

It is really mind boggling. Seems that Republican party supporters actually like shooting themselves in the foot, they feel the pain, blame the Democrats, then shoot themselves again.

Case to the point. Many US farmers now have to let their crops rot in the fields because they had relied on the migrant labor. Many of these farmers support Trump. It is like they cannot put 2 and 2 together. If you rely on migrants, maybe it is not a great idea, even from a purely economic sense, to support migrant worker deportation?

Economics101

So the "brave" House GOP holdouts appear to be folding. I wonder what sort of threats they were subjected to:

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/02/politics/trumps-agenda-house-vote

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123601087#Comment_123601087

The suffering is fine when it affects everyone but me. It's the same tedious line over and over again from these cretins.

I was reading today about an Ulster Unionist politician who was badly bullied by senior officers in the British Army. He said that being a Unionist should have exempted him, not that the bullying was wrong.

It's always the same thing.

everlast75

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123601093#Comment_123601093

Or just posturing to later try and excuse the capitulation to their electorate

aloyisious

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123600985#Comment_123600985

Flip-flop Number whatever from Trump suggesting that there'll be a change in his Admins undocumented aliens policy to allow some of them work on farms and in hotels WHILE paying taxes.

https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=80cc77d7ba1f3053c0728e83b693b282dc8d1b0c1804e7d75a98d2da3334413aJmltdHM9MTc1MTUwMDgwMA&ptn=3&ver=2&hsh=4&fclid=04f55f2f-e40c-6108-1379-4b9fe541609e&u=a1L3ZpZGVvcy9yaXZlcnZpZXcvcmVsYXRlZHZpZGVvP3E9SGFzK3RydW1wK2V4cHJlc3NlZCthK2NoYW5nZStpbitwb2xpY3krdG8rYWxsb3crdW5kb2N1bWVudGVkK2ltbWlncmFudHMrd29yaytvbitmYXJtcytpbit0aGUrVS5TJm1pZD02MUQ2MUM3ODA0MTMzOEZBMkNEQTYxRDYxQzc4MDQxMzM4RkEyQ0RBJkZPUk09VklSRQ&ntb=1

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123601178#Comment_123601178

Also known as Indentured Servitude.

"Hey - you can come here but you'll have no rights , no security and your entire existence will be linked to your employer and if you complain about pay or conditions you'll get fired and deported the same day"

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123601485#Comment_123601485

I had suggested some time ago that economic pressures would probably force the Trump administration to devise something like this. Not any great prediction, though. It just seemed like the only logical way to square that particular circle.

Kermit.de.frog

Surely this has been posted here already?

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2025/0703/1521692-us-non-farm-payroll-figures/

American exceptionalism aside President Trump deserves a lot of credit but of course all the positives will be ignored by the usual suspects...

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odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123601902#Comment_123601902

Did you even read the article you posted? Of course all the negatives will be ignored eh?

Despite the bigger-than-expected rise in payrolls, job growth is slowing, mostly reflecting tepid hiring… Indicators, including the number of people filing for state jobless benefits and receiving unemployment checks, have pointed to labour market fatigue after a strong performance that shielded the economy from recession as the US Fed aggressively tightened monetary policy to combat high inflation. Most economists expect the jobless rate will rise through the second half of this year, and potentially encourage the Fed to resume its monetary policy easing cycle in September.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123601888#Comment_123601888

I mean , the farming industry has been calling for an updated and expanded "Seasonal worker visa" program for years.

A very significant number of people traditionally come to the US for short period of time (Planting/Harvest seasons) without any intention of staying full-time and the majority of them are illegal because there isn't really a visa program for them.

A proper system like that would be great - They'd be legal , they'd have rights and protections and they'd come and go as needed.

But that won't be what Trump does here - His will be thoughtless and cruel and place ALL of the power in the hands of the employer and people coming in under these rules will not have the same workers rights as other people, that's if they have any rights at all.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123601902#Comment_123601902

Any reason why you aren't willing to discuss the hits to Medicaid? Or are you just with deaths and debt that it will be responsible for?

thatsdaft

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123601956#Comment_123601956

Too busy unpacking fireworks for tomorrow which arrived from China

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123601902#Comment_123601902

Try read the article, not the headline.

Indicators, including the number of people filing for state jobless benefits and receiving unemployment checks, have pointed to labour market fatigue after a strong performance that shielded the economy from recession as the US Fed aggressively tightened monetary policy to combat high inflation.

Most economists expect the jobless rate will rise through the second half of this year, and potentially encourage the Fed to resume its monetary policy easing cycle in September.

Classic Trump supporter stuff though.

pad406

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123601911#Comment_123601911

and how may 10s of thousands in that figure are federal workers they had to re-hire after stupidly firing them in the first place?

thatsdaft

Literally becoming poorer by the day

https://www.semafor.com/article/07/03/2025/the-us-dollar-is-on-track-for-its-worst-year-in-modern-history

Frank Bullitt

https://vancouversun.com/news/bc-washington-state-travel-down-five-months-straight

Just over 118,000 B.C. cars entered Washington state at Metro Vancouver crossings in June — down from 206,000 over the same period last year. In the first half of this year there have been 413,000 fewer B.C. drivers crossing into Washington state compared with the same period last year.

The Trump effect. My missus went across (she has a Nexus card) and she said there were no cars crossing at all.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123601074#Comment_123601074

Terminology.

The Big BS bill is cutting MediCAID, which is limited support for poor people. MediCARE is the system where, when employed, you contribute to the Medicare fund via payroll deductions that end when you retire, which is when you're eligible for MediCARE. MediCARE is not substantially impacted by the bill, some changes apparently in technical things about people that work and claim MediCARE, which can happen if you're old enough and still working.

You have to be 65 or older to sign up for MediCARE, not MediCAID. The GQP are d1cking with the MediCAID eligibility requirements, including (in the big BS bill) the laughably titled "work requirements" which really are 'make it really hard to sign up' requirements.

So, yeah, this bill negatively impacts the poor, usually red state people that likely voted for Trump. FAFO, well, time to FO.

Igotadose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123601902#Comment_123601902

RTE should be pinged for malpractice.

A simple google shows:

"

In June 2025, the U.S. labor market showed mixed signals regarding job growth. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS), nonfarm payrolls increased by 147,000 jobs, indicating a healthy labor market despite being below some forecasts. However, the private sector, as reported by ADP, experienced a loss of 33,000 jobs, marking the first decrease since March 2023 and significantly missing expectations for a 100,000 increase.

"

So, the private sector is actually in negative territory. Witless RTE writers missed that bit.

Patrick2010

saw an interesting press conference from Florida yesterday with Trump and De Santos where they were giving out about Bidens census that they reckon didn’t give red states enough Republican reps.

Their plan is next year to get more Republican seats for the likes of Florida and Arizona and less for blue states. You can see the fix is already being planned.

Trigger

Mod: Folks, Kermit.de.frog cannot reply to posts, so please do not quote him.

Quin_Dub

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123602186#Comment_123602186

So Private sector down 33k jobs , but Non-Farm payroll up overall by 147k - Which essentially means public sector hiring of ~180k.

As others have mentioned - How much of that is simply re-hiring people that DOGE fired in March/April ??

For Forks Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123602214#Comment_123602214

Narrators voice

The last US Census was carried out on April 1, 2020, when Trump was president

aloyisious

If I'm understanding CNN correctly, the holdout GOP members from yesterday have fallen in line with the rest of their elected fellows which means they have stuck their collective head up a certain persons lower orifice, with or without using his new scent as a medical relief, and his Finance Bill will be on his desk for signature one day before the deadline he set, 04th July.

Edit: It seems I may have been a bit premature… CNN is reporting now that the speaker has taken his seat so the vote may take place now.

thereiver

The bill only means gamblers can claim tax credits on 90per cent of loss,s. Versus income earned. In today's wall st journal. Tech experts say. Ai will wipe out half of jobs are office white collar workers the new bill means even if you are legally entitled to medicaid the reporting requirements will be so complex most people will just give up

II had no idea gamblers got receipts when they put 10 dollars into a poker machine or played blackjack in a casino all the films I watch leave this part out

Ireland always seems to follow American trends in business

If you work in an office at a desk for a private company you should be worried

Ai seems to be built into every new os and app and it will be hard to do any work in the future without using Ai

Of course ai never makes mistakes so I'm sure that ,ll work out great