BMW X5 PHEV 2021

masterboy123

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/BMW/X5/fpa/3635073

Could someone with a better insight about X5 answer the following questions please?

1. Is 2021 phev model reliable after the warranty is over? (Annual mileage will be 15,000 km)

2. What's the approx. electric range in city driving? (50 kmph speed).

3. This dealer is offering extended 2 year warranty, would you recommend getting it? Does €3000 extra sounds right for the extended 2 year warranty?

4. What's the approx. yearly service cost in Dublin with the dealer?

5. Does the owner need to be ready to splash over €2000 for minor issues once the warranty is over?

Thanks 😊

kirving

I think you'd be mental not to go for the warranty if it's available. I expect they're jut paying BMW to extend the original manufacturer warranty? There's just so much that could go wrong with it, which would cost a fortune.

masterboy123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121933253#Comment_121933253

Thanks. Yes, it will be original BMW warranty.

pale rider

This is a hi end car, expect hi end maintenance bills, if you can’t afford these don’t buy it.

if the hybrid system fails the car could be valueless, you do know it will not run without the hybrid system functioning properly.

I know Mercedes’ have struggled with their earlier hybrid attempts but can’t speak for BMW

masterboy123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121933510#Comment_121933510

Are they not reliable? As in, breaks are expected every now and then?

goochy

People seem to think if someone buys an expensive car that you don't mind shelling out for expensive repairs

ferrari was transformed when they became more like porsche , they made cars cheaper to maintain and brought out service packages

Goose81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121933510#Comment_121933510

Are you sure the car doesn't just run on fuel if the battery fails?

I know some brands it won't run but I didn't think BMW is one of them

pale rider

I’m not a mechanic so can’t answer that one but I know of an ‘18 E Class hybrid that had to be scrapped after the hybrid system failed, it was uneconomic to repair.

I’m not aware of any hybrid that will run all day long on fossil fuel alone in the event of a hybrid system component failure, they might technically run but the manufacturers system will throw a fault as it would no longer meet its emissions.

goochy

Hard to see how an 2018 car can be scrapped ?

masterboy123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121933873#Comment_121933873

I have a habit of saving money every 3-4 years then buy something expensive like car, watch, luxury holiday, house upgrade, etc. I am happy to pay large sums once but not ready to continue to pay every 3-4 months for repairs, etc and leaving the car behind.

Goose81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121934030#Comment_121934030

Pity they didn't bring it to one of the independent specialists around who could have fixed it for a fraction of the cost mercedes charge

drunkmonkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121934030#Comment_121934030

Was it replaced under warranty? Did you see said car?

Scrapping the whole car seems excessive. Hybrid should run with or without battery. I clocked up a lot of miles in a phev, it never once threw an error because I'd gone way beyond manufacturer emissions.

pale rider

It was my brother in laws car and it was as said uneconomic to repair, I didn’t ask any more, he was left stuck on the side of the Cork-Dublin motorway.

if you read what J posted you will see I was not commenting on a properly operating hybrid, how the car operates when there is a hybrid component failure is the point.

kirving

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121934462#Comment_121934462

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121933971#Comment_121933971

No, from my experience with an F30 330e, battery failure kicks the engine into a weird performance mode, gearbox goes into limp mode, it has no alternator (DC-DC converter instead) so 12V battery goes flat after a while, electric AC runs off the high-voltage system, vacuum pumps to maintain brake boost, brake pedal simulator changes in a scary manner, high voltage cabin heater is disabled so climate control throws errors and so on....

In short, it's nigh on impossible to run it as a 320i if the battery fails.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121934245#Comment_121934245

It depends totally on the car and failure mode. In some cases, indys are not given access to the tools they need to reprogram the system - due to the understandable fear of a bad third party repair causing a battery file. Try finding a BMW "EOS Battery tester" outside of a dealer and you'll see they're incredibly hard sought and usually not for sale.

I've personally seen an E-Class (not 181) which was sitting in an indy garage for months, after some insane quote from Mercedes. Car was initially throwing Traction Control errors, but it was actually related to how the car was measuring output electrical power vs gearbox speed, vs engine speed, vs wheel speed. I don't know the final outcome. My own E300 Hybird was fine as a balance datapoint.

Scrappage seems unlikely, but the same place also had a 300e there which had a €17k quote from BMW when the car was worth less than that.