More Houses less car parking spaces

decies

As reported in business post online .

cabinet approves land transfer to agency to provide houses .Less car parking spaces in Waterford more houses .

“The sites where there is a Full Transfer of Land are:Bluebell, Dublin; Bolton Street Car Park, Waterford; Waterside Car Park, Waterford; Rosbrien Road, Limerick and Model Farm Road, Cork.

The sites where there is a Partial Transfer of Land are: Carrickmines Little (Horse Racing Ireland); Galway Harbour; St.Otterans Hospital, Waterford and Sandyford (Central Bank of Ireland).”

fricatus

It's good that they're doing this, since cheap or free parking is a big driver of traffic congestion and we really need all the housing we can get.

However they'll need to get on with some actions to offset the loss of parking - mainly the development of park-and-ride sites and improvement to the bus services (they're pretty good now, but as a W5 user, I can tell you that a bus lane on Parnell St northbound (i.e. towards the Mall) is badly needed.

I take it that apartments will be built. Hopefully they will be properly designed (in terms of space, light, places to store bikes, etc.)

Atlantic Dawn

I think if they are going down this route of not having a space per home or apartment then a requirement should be brought in when buying a car to be able to prove you have a dedicated space you can park your car in within 3km of your residence, Japan has such a law.

hi5

Japan has 120 million people mostly in cities and the rest is mountains.

This has more to do with 15 min cities and living in pods. you wont need public transport because you wont be going anywhere.

KaneToad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121735343#Comment_121735343

33% of Japan has people living in it. The rest, as you say, is mountains/forest etc

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121735343#Comment_121735343

You can still travel but its encouraging public transport.

Most new apartment complexes in Dublin dont have many car park spaces. It is the norm now.

Wanderer2010

Im all for more housing but does anyone know if these lands which are planned for new homes and apartments are open to people who work but dont have a big enough wage to afford the average 250k price for a new build? I see our local politicians opening up new estates, apartments, converted pubs and old vacant houses etc but they are all social housing. Literally all of them.

What about offering these homes and apartments to struggling young couples or single people who have a good savings and work ethic but who cant quite afford homes in their area? Its galling for these people scrimping and saving all year and all these brand new A1 homes just handed over to people who dont work. A false perception of new homes..more like a shorter social housing list. Two very different things.

azimuth17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121735487#Comment_121735487

That raelity is in Vienna.

GandhiwasfromBallyfermot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121735487#Comment_121735487

More like €300k for new builds these days anyway

The J Stands for Jay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121735378#Comment_121735378

Most old apartments in Dublin have no parking too.

Big Bag of Chips

You can't compare parking in Dublin to parking in Waterford. Dublin has a public transport system that spreads far beyond the city centre.

Waterford is depending on people coming from the surrounding areas for both work and spending money in the city. It doesn't have an adequate public transport system to stop these cars from coming in to the city. And the parking once you're in isn't great either.

People living in Waterford city in the areas of the bus routes are ok and shouldn't need cars for travelling around Waterford. But people sometimes like to leave Waterford and go somewhere else. We live in a pretty rural country. Public transport isn't widespread enough to coax many people away from car ownership.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121735487#Comment_121735487

...the reality is, most working folks also cant afford housing now, the whole financialised approach to housing has catastrophically failed, and nobody truly knows what to do next about it, theres also no need to attempt to single out lower income/welfare recipients either, failing to meet all peoples needs, significantly increases the likelihood of dysfunctional outcomes including long term mental health issues, addiction problems, and in some cases an increase in criminal outcomes, and this goes for all classes, but those most vulnerable to such outcomes would be lower on the socioeconomic scale....

Wanderer2010

The point is those houses should be offered to working people too, not just social housing. Its inherently unfair and exclusionary.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121740059#Comment_121740059

its a fair point, but again, our whole housing policy has completely collapsed, and the fact, if this approach was implemented, working people 'might' have more resources than non workers, meaning very few, if any welfare recipients would get access at all, we re in desperate need of all types of housing, from social and beyond, we re simply never gonna be able to provide it all, in an acceptable timeframe, its simply not possible, we ultimately need to be building double the amount we have been, we ve needed this for many years now, it never happened. we re destined to have an extremely serious housing crisis well into next decade....

hardybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121737806#Comment_121737806

I think all Irish cities have the same problem - there's hardly anybody living in them anymore and as a result people need to find a way to get there for work and recreation.

It would be a huge shot in the arm for Waterford city to have thousands more people living within short walking distances of the services they need as opposed to plonking more developments into fields beyond the outer ring road and putting more strain on the roads leading into town.

As another poster mentioned at the outset, there should be park and ride facilities at the approaches to the city - giving people the option to get a bus over the quays and maybe it could be cheaper than the cost of parking.

Yellow_Fern

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121740580#Comment_121740580

Another reason to avoid new houses

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121756863#Comment_121756863

....we re clearly in desperate need of new housing, our severe shortage is now causing severe social problems, including and in particular a rapid rise in mental health issues....

Wanderer2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121756921#Comment_121756921

And a rapid rise in cases where people play the mental health card when they stand before the judge when in reality there is nothing at all wrong with them. Its a big problem when they spin a sob story about depression or anxiety or traumatic childhood to avoid personal responsibility.

Nobody murders anyone these days..its all manslaughter. You can even kill your own kid and apparently its not murder. This country ignores victims and their families, its just disgusting.

Wanderer78

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121756961#Comment_121756961

...yea thats it lads, lets completely ignore the fact, people are now experiencing significant pressures in meeting their most critical of needs such as housing and health care needs, this is turn causes a rapid rise in whats called 'maladaptive' copying strategies, which includes a significant rise in the use of drugs, alcohol, gambling and other risky behaviors, oh and including criminal behaviors...

...well done in including a highly upsetting local situation in your 'analysis' whereby many families are now experiencing severe trauma, and will do probably indefinitely from their recent experience, thats very mature of you!

...yes, we now have global knowledge of what you have mentioned such as mental health issues, including childhood trauma, which can in fact cause serious criminal outcomes, i.e. maybe we should be implementing appropriate services in order to try prevent these criminal outcomes, maybe, or maybe we should all just go on the internets, and continue to ridicule such individuals, maybe thats a better approach, maybe we ll just stop all those tragic outcomes and crimes, yea thats it, lets do that!

Wanderer2010

I didnt mention any local cases. There are hundreds of criminal cases where kids, mothers, fathers, strangers are brutally murdered but they walk away scot free because they are charged with a lesser crime and mental health is used as a factor in sentencing.

You always excuse crime. Its the same old tripe from you every single time a crime is commited..."terrible society, drink and drugs led them to it...they need to be helped not harmed". Do you even know what personal responsibility means? Is that an alien concept to you?

Put it this way, if someone who has 250 previous convictions pulled a knife on you and started laying into you, would your last thoughts be "poor soul..he doesnt mean to kill me im sure, it was his upbringing"?

hardybuck

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121756863#Comment_121756863

They'll be building more housing rather than necessarily more houses I suppose.

St Otterans will probably be a mixed development with houses, duplexes and apartments. The likes of the Gasworks site and Bolton Street apartments - but personally I think we need more family apartments - i.e. more than just the 1 and 2 bed ones you typically see getting planning.

Cabaal

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Cabaal

These proposals make sense, there is no real land shortage in Ireland when it comes to where we can build houses. We simply choose to prioritise car storage over people living space and thats a sad reflection on our society.

Longer term we can only change the broken system we have by prioritising people space, living space and public transport over cars.

Yellow_Fern

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121761073#Comment_121761073

That isnt nonsense. Show evidence that car spaces are installed at the expense of living space? New houses in estates have less car spaces but they also are not bigger. One offs. There is nothing with wrong cars. They allow far greater mobility. That extends human life. That is a social good.

Cabaal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121779382#Comment_121779382

So you think if estates had more car park spaces that wouldn't leave less space for building homes? Where do you think the space for the cars is coming from?

Car space takes away from living space and outdoor space, thats the simple reality of the situation.

Yes they do allow mobility but they are not efficent at moving people both in relation to energy use and space, its also not sustainable for everyone to have a car both in relation to road capacity and parking spaces.

You say cars extend human life but they have a very large negative impact on human life, pollution causes extra deaths, it encourages people to live a more sedentary lifestyle and of course we see an increase in road deaths caused by them. For every one road death we hear of there are 10x people left with life changing injurys.

We're better off long term limiting car acess, giving greater priority to public transport and to discourage car use in favour of public transport, active travel and other more efficent mobility options (both in relation to space and energy use) especially in urban and city areas.