Tiananmen Square & other Western conspiracies against China

Lucien_Sarti

Conventional wisdom seems to say that the vast majority of the public believe the following events of April to June 1989 to be a Chinese conspiracy:-

A) Detailed Thread

Part I https://twitter.com/SilingWu/status/1728140380099522649

Part II https://twitter.com/SilingWu/status/1664984111725912065 

(NSFW images; & links to other threads; these specific tweets are not allowed to be embedded, deemed sensitive content by TwiX 🤔)

These threads detail that this whole event was an extremely violent foreign (US) funded armed insurrection in China’s capital city that opportunistically piggy-backed on a legitimate student reform movement that was pro-socialist but wanted less corruption, a less regimented society and more material comforts.

The first real violence started in Muxidi- 5km from the square, when a mysterious group of thugs started attacking army buses with petrol bombs, burning the occupants to death. This was unexpected, because petrol was rationed and hard for ordinary people to obtain.

“they also promised high prices to thugs to burn military vehicles and hit the PLA, promising $3,000 to burn a military vehicle and several thousand dollars to catch or kill a soldier”

Thread also covers the NED, Chai Ling, Operation Yellowbird (Open CIA & MI6 admittance), Gene Sharp (US regime change strategist),

Also, the 2011 Wikileaks cable that showed the US embassy knew within a short time that there was no massacre in Tiananmen -info got from a Chilean diplomat who witnessed the whole night.

Several individual Western journalists also debunk their own channels Western narrative.

It details how Washington needed a massacre. When it didn’t get one, it just made one up!

There is far more details & links on these two threads, too many to summarise.

B) Tankman

Certain images and events become iconic symbolising the atrocity. Think the man with the tank at Tiananmen Square. – a boardsie

I fully agree with this statement. Watch the symbolism of 2:05 to 2:20 in the video below!

https://twitter.com/JenZhan71273737/status/1665379560613871619

“the Tank Man footage is pretty ludicrous, knowing that it was taken the day after all students peacefully evacuated Tiananmen Square. This man is actually preventing the tanks leaving as well” !

C) Footage of violence & chaos of CIA attack

https://twitter.com/JenZhan71273737/status/1665377707893444610

“Few blocks away from the Tiananmen Square

Narrator: In the early morning of June 4, hundreds of military vehicles were set ablaze by rioters at dozens of intersections in urban Beijing. Some soldiers were burned alive in the vehicles, and some were beaten to death after jumping out of the vehicles. The military vehicle was burned by rioters, causing the ammunition to explode. The thugs drove stolen armored vehicles on a rampage and fired in all directions with machine guns from the armored vehicles”

0.42 Commandeered PLA APC on rampage, with 15+ rioters clinging on

1.04 these CIA provocateurs fire the APCs machine guns in general direction of PLA troops

It was only at this point (long after scores of soldiers had been killed) that the PLA took off the kid gloves and started using force to neutralise the CIA operatives.

In different areas 1 to 5km from Tiananmen Sq:- 1,300 military & other vehicles were burned out. 6,000 soldiers were injured. Approx 240 people were killed, about half were unarmed police or soldiers who were hung, burned & lynched by the mob. Another 120 who were killed were rioting provocateurs and civilian bystanders.

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Western jingoists who visit China say things like -When you talk to Chinese people about Tiananmen they just (..hesitate..&) smile at you.

Translation: what is going on there is, most Chinese know in detail about the Western colour revolution that failed (but did go some distance towards its objective) but they also know* about the audacious & inverted distortion of events the West brazenly feeds its citizens (* Incomprehensible to average Western chauvinist).

The smile is just a polite way of saying “this guy is clueless, I’m not going to waste energy on a lost cause”.

The Western hoax about the Uyghurs is a similar inverted playbook attack & the 2019 Hong Kong riots were another colour revolution attack.

This CT, in common with modern popular conspiracy theories, has all Western media platforms working tirelessly to market the Western narrative - they effectively label what actually happened as a Chinese conspiracy by completely ignoring the Chinese side.

As for Tiananmen, I would guess most people don’t know all of these details so it is not really clear how they can dismiss this as a conspiracy?

Dohnjoe

You checked those social media sources right?

If yes, what did you notice..

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519305#Comment_121519305

He forgot the one where Chairman Mao was really a Rotschild.

Lucien_Sarti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519305#Comment_121519305

They’re both from (or originally from) the sovereign nation, outside US control, that was attacked in ’89?

One claims to be in Jim Crow Texas. One is a soldier?

They’re both not John Simpson?

Too cryptic, I need more to go on!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519350#Comment_121519350

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519437#Comment_121519437

The two Chinese social media accounts you quoted as sources.

Using critical thinking, what did you notice about them.

Here's a clue, go to your source and scroll through their tweets.

https://twitter.com/JenZhan71273737

What immediately jumps out?

MoodeRator

Jen sure loves the US and has a crush on Taiwan?

Amazing that so many conspiracy lovers will mention the phrase "critical thinking" when nearly every one of them that I have encountered would be more along the lines of using "confirmation bias".

Lucien_Sarti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519561#Comment_121519561

Maybe you've resisted the trap of confirmation bias!

Do you accept the events were as described above i.e. a Genghis Khan style geo-political attack on China?

Or are you saying the events in the videos are not what happened?

maninasia

I've no idea what point you are trying to make.

It's a ludicrous mess of jumbled references and statements..Is it to say that everything is a conspiracy therefore nothing can be believed ? What's your own opinion?

Then at the end everything is thrown in the pot. All just lobbed in there lol.

As for Chinese people smiling when something is mentioned that's because they are very uncomfortable about talking about a taboo subject. They smile when under pressure like that. If there's one event they don't discuss publicly.its June 6th. Even June 6th itself will get most content scrubbed in China. But I know June 6th happened because somebody in Beijing told me when we were alone together that she was there, she suddenly started telling me about it when we were alone in a car together.

that's the kind of society that exists in China. You can't even mention certain dates.

Lucien_Sarti

I don’t know what is so confusing. If I wrote an OP that was too short, others would make some other complaint.

The US/UK/+ tried to overthrow China’s socialist system. They failed. They helped overthrow the USSR 2 years later so,  1-0

They have since convinced everyone in the West that China ended a student protest by crushing 10,000 students under tanks.

Most people in the West believe this ludicrous nonsense. People should be embarrassed to say they believe that 20 years after broadband internet.

The Western version is the real conspiracy. I’m pointing this out. 

But I know June 6th happened because somebody in Beijing told me when we were alone together that she was there

Was she talking about the colour revolution and you thought she was talking about the Western conspiracy!

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121519930#Comment_121519930

It is commonly believed fake news that the United States played a significant role in the overthrow of the Soviet Union. However, this belief does not acknowledge the actual sequence of events

Gorbachev and the people around him embarked on a program of political and economic liberalization known as perestroika. This reform aimed to modernize the Soviet economy and political system, seeking to make it more open and democratic. Gorbachev's reforms aimed to address the growing discontent and economic hardships experienced by the Soviet people. It was the Soviet Union itself that decided that the old system was not working and had nothing to do with Western intervention.

The CIA does indeed play a role in interfering with governments around the world. However, it is important to acknowledge that at times, individuals genuinely seek change.

China is a country known for its rigid control over various aspects of life for its citizens. This pervasive robotic state severely limits the freedoms enjoyed by individuals, including the freedom to express themselves. The Chinese government employs a vast network of surveillance tools to monitor its citizens' activities. From facial recognition technology to internet censorship, these tools enable the government to track citizens' online conversations and interactions.

What we criticize the CIA/NSA for is pretty much implemented already on a vast scale in China. The difference is that the CIA operates in the shadows, using covert methods to exert control over decisions that impact others. While they may believe they are bringing good to places, the evidence paints a different picture.

There is no evidence to suggest that the CIA played a significant role in initiating or orchestrating the protests at Tiananmen Square. The movement was primarily driven by Chinese students. The person on Twitter has been vague regarding the specific details of how this distribution took place. They mention money coming in but fail to provide details regarding who handed it out.

Another complaint. The Chinese government maintains strict control over media narratives and censors any content that is critical of the government or its policies. This makes it difficult, if not impossible, to obtain objective and unbiased information about the Tiananmen Square protests. Why should we trust this Chinese narrative any more than a CIA narrative?

When it comes to the reliability of the Western version, it is important to consider the inherent biases and perspectives that may influence it. The problem at hand is that there is currently a lack of a clear and complete picture of what happened in 1989. Both involved parties have presented their own narratives in the West and China, making it difficult to determine the full truth. Despite the claim that the protests were initiated by foreign forces, my gut and feelings tell me that it was a genuine homegrown movement.

Lucien_Sarti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121520669#Comment_121520669

That’s an interesting debate; I’d just say the CIA was set up in 1947 as the regime change arm of the US deep state with the USSR as Target No1. They targeted the wedge issue of Eastern Ukraine/Crimea to split the SU apart from the 50s to the 80s; then the Zbigniew Brzezinski bleed the Red army in Afghanistan/Stingers strategy. I’d agree that the USSR fell mostly due to (deliberate?) internal failures from Khrushchev onwards but Gorbachev really took the biscuit.

My view is:- Everything, & I mean everything, said about countries outside US control (especially China) can be deemed 100% false as a safe starting point. This is based on the Western powers impeccable track record of pathological lying about tribes beyond the castle walls.

You give some credibility to the CIA narrative on this, that is a viewpoint and that is fine. Whereas I say the CIA narrative has less than zero credibility on this (or any other conceivable issue)!

From reading Chinese accounts on social media, it gets clearer the more one reads that this notion of a lack of freedom of expression is – guess what ….. totally false! (and the same with endless Western allegations of censorship of criticisms of the government).

Their political discussion is far more bearpit-like than ours. They consider our exchanges to be meek & half-asleep in comparison (my interpretation from memory).

Anything can be used for good or ill. Their face surveillance is a tool for convenience. In the west such technology- like our smartphone and online footprint- ARE used for mass surveillance – well documented.

They use banking & money as a tool to serve the majority/society. Here, it is used as a method of control and a casino for one-track-mind megalomaniac billionaires. We are fed more Orwellian rubbish about their social credit scores – when it is a harmless mechanism very like our supermarket loyalty points. If one wants to see an example of rigid control, a better example is the credit score mechanism in places like the US.

I agree that the Tiananmen student protests were entirely homegrown. The US/CIA attack disguised itself using the street protests as cover.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522420#Comment_121522420

My view is:- Everything, & I mean everything, said about countries outside US control (especially China) can be deemed 100% false as a safe starting point.

This is confirmation bias. Starting with a belief will only cause you to seek to validate that belief. It's a bad way to look at current affairs, history, anything.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121525874#Comment_121525874

Also pretty much the same kinds of arguments to justify Russia invading Ukraine. The Twitter accounts that were shared at the start of the thread are also being used to justify the invasion of Taiwan.

Lucien_Sarti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121525874#Comment_121525874

If you socialised regularly with 5 acquaintances; 4 of them told you stuff that, with long experience, turned out to be truthful i.e. more or less correct.

One of them tells you stuff that is consistently proven to be lies / false /made up.

Are you saying that you must nevertheless continue taking on board and acting on the information provided by the fifth fella, to your own cost, because otherwise that is having confirmation bias against the fifth guy?

To take the analogy further: that one must only listen to the fifth guy and stop socialising & getting any information from the other four acquaintances?

A rhetorical question.

Did you know about the violence shown in the videos in the streets away from the square? Because I knew nothing about it or hadn’t seen any video footage of it just three years ago.

(my ‘20 years of broadband internet’ comment above was OTT & unfair as social media only took off later).

The Twitter accounts that were shared at the start of the thread are also being used to justify the invasion of Taiwan.

Any outside power that aids or joins one side in a civil war becomes a party to that civil war.

The civil war was dormant since the 50s – which suited both sides.

But guess which gangster state is making herculean efforts to stir it up – to get it hot again;

If it is reignited, guess which gangster states (uniformed) troops will not be getting killed.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121526202#Comment_121526202

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Tiananmen_Square_protests_and_massacre

A simple start and sourced. Also corroborated by Chinese writers. No prizes for guessing who has banned their books (and now banned them in Hong Kong)

Individuals who hand-wave away historical consensus and replace them with vague theories from social media tend not to worry about such things as facts, details, and so on. They are usually more interested in confirmation bias of a belief they hold (e.g. "the good guys are secretly bad" and/or X country is the real villain")

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121522420#Comment_121522420

OSS is the old CIA and many of the people in intelligence services of the Third Reich joined the new CIA after World War II. It could be argued that their knowledge and expertise would be invaluable in the fight against communism. The CIA's actions have frequently been characterized by abuses and violations of human rights. The agency's pursuit of its enemies has often involved ruthless tactics, similar to those employed by the Nazis.

The scope of these abuses is vast, spanning various nations and periods. One of the most alarming aspects of the CIA's activities is its involvement in drug trafficking. Similar to the Nazis, who often used illegal activities to finance their atrocities, the CIA has employed drug trafficking as a funding source for its operations. This disturbing practice undermines the agency's integrity and is mostly ignored and only explored by way of Hollywood movies.

The MK-Ultra program, conducted by the CIA during the 1950s and 60s, is an eerie reminder of the fictional character Jason Bourne. This program involved the use of experimental drugs and techniques, such as hypnosis and mind control to manipulate individuals for intelligence purposes. Some, even in the conspiracy world believe Oswald and other assassins were MK Ultra projects.

The anti-helicopter missiles played a crucial role in aiding the mujahideen in their fight against the Soviets in Afghanistan. However, it is important to dispel the notion that these missiles solely brought about the defeat of the Soviet Union. There was a strategic shift in how the Soviet Union dealt with wars under Mikhail Gorbachev. The Soviet leader implemented policies that emphasized diplomacy and reconciliation, rather than relying solely on military force. If the Soviets had faced a different set of challenges pre-1980s, it is plausible that they may not have withdrawn their troops from Afghanistan. The U.S. military's failure to stop its own Afghanistan war ultimately led to its withdrawal from the country in 2021. Political decisions were also made there to get out.

Unfortunately, relying solely on a single Twitter post would not be sufficient to prove this.

When an individual on Twitter states unequivocally that the information provided to them came directly from the Chinese government, it raises certain doubts regarding the credibility of the information given.

The Chinese government has a track record of suppressing dissent, censoring information, and engaging in propaganda campaigns.

The existence of deep-state apparatuses in both Europe and the United States is a matter of concern. These entities operate within governmental structures and manipulate information to perpetuate their narratives and agendas. The Hunter Biden laptop controversy serves as a stark reminder of the impact of information censorship, where a narrative initially dismissed as a Russian disinformation operation was later proven to be authentic. Source information on this from many areas online.

Yet to come across anyone in scholarly research who explicitly states that the CIA paid Chinese students to launch attacks on the Chinese army. It is not very believable that the CIA would have the ease and ability to recruit Chinese nationals in the capital city in 1989 anyway. We just have to disagree on this point and agree with other points.

Lucien_Sarti

I’ll respond to above in due course. But as of now, is it safe to assume nobody wants to stand with mouthpieces like the Völkischer Beobachter, sorry my mistake, the BBC who to this day brazenly stand by their 10,000 shot or crushed by tanks in Tiananmen

(someone important in Beijing (yes, really) whispered it into the ear of an MI6 agent propagandist purchased cog ambassador,

aka trust me bro (wink wink) ;

Comical Ali come back, all is forgiven).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-42465516

I mean, I feel it is a low blow to even ask this question of anyone.

It would take a brave soul to put their head above the parapet of absolute demented Western fraud to advocate for the 10,000 meme, but you’d never know (however, probably wise to leave the figure low or vague, or some other strategy!)

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121527815#Comment_121527815

According to the article it's a leaked document naming a source who estimated that figure.

Estimates range from 100's to 1000's but difficult to tell because of heavy Chinese control of information.

After three decades, international historians and journalists still don't know exactly how many died, but you know it was a CIA operation because a Chinese social media account told you so.

Lucien_Sarti

When an individual on Twitter states unequivocally that the information provided to them came directly from the Chinese government, it raises certain doubts regarding the credibility of the information given.

The Chinese government has a track record of suppressing dissent, censoring information, and engaging in propaganda campaigns.

Individuals who hand-wave away historical consensus and replace them with vague theories from social media tend not to worry about such things as facts, details, and so on

It isn’t just two twitter accounts. It is also the official report published on Chinese Govt Website; two excepts again:

• Some people in the United States, Great Britain and Hong Kong donated millions of dollars. All those involved in setting up roadblocks and blocking military vehicles were paid $30 a day.
• At the same time, they also promised high prices to buy thugs to burn military vehicles and hit the PLA, promising $3,000 to burn a military vehicle and several thousand dollars to catch or kill a soldier.

The Chinese government investigated & published a detailed report. The official report says there was a significant component of foreign funding & organisation. Wikipedia & Western propaganda organs who serve only the Western status quo don’t say anything about the CIA. So who's misrepresenting?

When Western Empire dwellers want to know anything about China, for some unknown reason, they get *ALL* their information from Western controlled sources and condescendingly dismiss ALL Chinese Sources. There is a wee, small problem with that.

It is the same pattern with information from Russia, Iran, DPRK, Yemen, Vietnam, Cuba (well some people do get info from there) and a short list of other countries.

Truth only comes from the West! Outside the West, no truth.

Mantra: “Outside the Castle Walls, no truth”

Mantra: “Outside the Castle Walls, no truth”

Mantra: “Outside the Castle Walls, no truth”

Mantra: “Outside the Castle Walls, no truth”

[ maybe, I’ll go back to this social conformity. It is so enticing & reassuring in its blissful simplicity ]

The typical trajectory of a CIA operation over time (no reason to think Beijing 1989 will be any different):

CIA does a Coup, take for example the one against Iran in 1953 to regain control of their oil. Western media (all) portray it as as a purely internal or domestic revolt. Realists who say it was an Imperialist CIA op are labelled conspiracy theorists or even more withering “you don’t like america”;

https://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/19/politics/cia-iran-1953-coup/index.html

Six to fifteen Decades later CIA declassifies files and says “yup, you were right, we did it”. It stops being a conspiracy, transforms miraculously into accepted historical fact and all former naysayers now claim they always knew the CIA did it.

So the people who control the CIA are the ‘Masters of Reality’ who decide by fiat, on a whim, what is a conspiracy theory and what is reality. A great system to be proud of!

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121530482#Comment_121530482

>It isn’t just two twitter accounts. It is also the official report published on Chinese Govt Website

"It's not just the two social media propaganda accounts probably run by the Chinese, but it's also from the Chinese government, the perpetrators of the massacre.."

Which is worse.

Lucien_Sarti

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121531106#Comment_121531106

https://prospect.org/politics/congress-proposes-500-million-for-negative-news-coverage-of-china/

Latest instalment of 74 years of brazen US anti-China propaganda (even boasting about it!!!)

Lying like a gang of lowlife backstreet thugs!

Lucien_Sarti

Most people seem to believe that the Chinese government is locking up & torturing millions of Uyghurs as a means of preventing them having autonomy or Freedom, what is described as a cultural genocide. With China apparently showing itself as being cruel, dystopian & authoritarian again.

That’s the Western version that of course doesn’t pass the flimsiest scrutiny. This superficial misrepresentation still survives mainly for the reason: people just accept what’s on the news and don’t have the time or inclination to investigate it for themselves.

The reality however is the 12th Century style geo-political attack one would expect. DC Planners wanted to attack, undermine and overthrow China’s socialist system (& still do today). Also the land & rail route to Europe goes through Xinjiang.

Detailed report & timeline of the Xinjiang situation

https://www.qiaocollective.com/education/xinjiang

So US strategists took a crowbar to an existing grievance held by a minority of Uyghurs in Xinjiang – who perceived the governance from Beijing as distant, poor quality resulting in a relatively poor economy compared to the rest of China in the 1990s. This was true. The economy was bad and Beijing having many priorities did keep the remote regions on too low a priority.

So the US government (whose citizens control US foreign policy because it is a democracy (right?)) started funding and giving massive support to the East Turkistan Islamic Movement (ETIM), now Turkistan Islamic Party (ETIM/TIP).

Unlike Western powers, China doesn’t use terrorism as a policy tool, so footage of terrorist attacks is not shown on Chinese tv. Western powers ARE at the root of the vast majority of terrorism (another thread?) which is why attacks are broadcast live 24/7 on all channels when they happen.

This is a list of attacks

https://www.qiaocollective.com/attacks-on-xinjiang

The 3rd last attack in 2015 involved 56 days of fighting- did any terrorist attack on the West ever last that long?

The NED is the public, open regime change arm of the CIA. Think about how insane that is. Adrian Zenz is a hysterical theocratic Christian anti-communist German who is a notorious proven fraudster & liar. By the way, he is the lynchpin of the entire Western Uyghur (cultural) genocide conspiracy theory. Without him there is literally nothing behind this!

Radio Free Asia (RFA) is a completely fraudulent anti-China US propaganda outfit (so fake & disreputable, I don’t recall even US foreign policy jingoists defending it online).

Funny incident of a CIA paid-liar exposed

https://twitter.com/MandelaFace/status/1507015376843907077

The Chinese approached this with a large military presence in the cities (note: presence, not use of weapons). Deradicalisation – similar to a template used in many countries e.g. Denmark. Terrorists were arrested and those vulnerable to being recruited were deradicalized and given vocational training. These were not prisons – attendees could go home in the evening. These facilities were mostly closed in recent years as their objective was deemed to be achieved. But the most important thing the gov’t did was get the economy fixed. It now surpasses China’s median prosperity per capita- giving original supporters of the ETIM what they demanded most. The cities have been modernised and are gleaming. New mosques have been built ( including replacing ancient ones that were in a state of collapse). Rail freight to Europe is booming at the moment.

Lucien_Sarti

The real Xinjiang story is not so difficult to understand:

1.      The rise of Xi Jinping and the Belt & Road Initiative posed a serious challenge to American supremacy much earlier than they were expecting, so

2.      the U.S. amped up their funding of terrorism in the region, as per the “Afghan Trap” doctrine outlined by Brzezinski, but

3.      instead of sending in the PLA, repeating the error of the Soviets, China reacted by building schools and vocational programs instead.

4.      As a result, the U.S. and its allies desperately pivoted to accusing them of “genocide,” despite lack of evidence.

I’ve yet to see this basic understanding seriously challenged.

Some argue that it’s not realistic to imagine that so many Westerners would collaborate in pushing a lie as big and reckless as the Xinjiang atrocity propaganda blitz. However, going along with that narrative means accepting the necessary implication that Chinese people manage an even bigger lie, so there’s a contradiction there. In truth, the idea that a coterie of propagandists is waging another spectacular propaganda campaign strains belief far less than the persistent notion that Xinjiang (and China generally!) is being operated as an unfathomably gigantic “Potemkin Village” designed to trick Westerners.  – Roderic Day 2021

When Uyghur separatist groups began inflicting acts of terror with the goal of driving the Chinese government out of Xinjiang and creating their own state, Beijing had essentially three choices:

1. To engage in a US-style campaign of mass military slaughter against these groups until they were defeated,

2. To allow a violent uprising of what would inevitably become western-backed jihadists as they had just seen happen in Libya and Syria carve away a massive and geo-strategically crucial part of China to be exploited by the US and its allies, or

3. To find some alternative to 1 and 2.            – commentator 1

In truth, there is no evidence that China could provide to disprove the genocide narrative in the eyes of most westerners, who resemble creationists or flat earthers in their constant retreat to new fantastical claims requiring an endless cycle of debunking.

Put very simply: the entire Uyghur story is being flipped on its head to serve western audiences atrocity propaganda, licensing them to disregard any potential lessons from China while assuaging any latent guilt they might carry from their own legacy (US ‘War on Terror’) – commentator 2

IMO, China comes out of this callous challenge with a score of 9.5/10 but I think this attack & conspiracy actually exposes Western so-called liberal democracies for what they really are (i.e. not what they say they are).

Lucien_Sarti

I was looking for this whistleblower for an above post. Thought I had it as a link but instead it is an image.

In this quote, it says to 2002 but that is only because she was fired in 2002; anyone can safely infer that US funding & logistics continued until at least 2016, when China’s more humane & superior defence strategy completely outmanoeuvred & exhausted the fascist empire’s attacker pawns. More info on what happened after

https://www.aclu.org/documents/sibel-edmonds-patriot-silenced-unjustly-fired-fighting-back-help-keep-america-safe

Edmonds has been fighting the corruption permeating the FBI since her unfair dismissal and sued to contest her firing in July 2002. On July 6, 2004 , Judge Reggie Walton in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia dismissed Edmonds’ case, citing the government’s state secrets privilege.

.....

More than two years later, in May 2004, the Justice Department retroactively classified Edmonds’ briefings, as well as the FBI briefings, and forced Members of Congress who had the information posted on their Web sites to remove the documents.

Also ‘National Security’ privilege (which is typical lying-to-your-face, US global class war disguised in 1984-style language inversion) here refers to the US deep state’s law of the jungle attack on China. The semi normal career functionaries may be embarrassed but those on top are embarrassment incapable.

Hoop66

Well I don't mind being banned from this utterly pointless thread, so I'll just say OP is a fuckwit, as is Cheerful, and leave it at that.

Lucien_Sarti

 I'll just say OP is a ~##**#

That’s it - you’re off my emoticon-sending list until the Year of the Dragon, at a minimum.

this utterly pointless thread

This is not a very convincing argument for continuing to trust information on China from

• RTE, Irish Independent, BBC, CNN etc.
• carefully selected commentators & historians amplified and shoved down everyone’s throats by billionaire media owners & local assorted obsequious anti-communist conmen.