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Buying apartment - but there has been no fire audit

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  • 06-12-2023 8:16pm
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    Hannaho
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    Sale agreed on apartment but found there gas been no fire audit. Built by Ray Grehan/Montaine Developments in 2004. Wondering if it is best not to go through with the sale?



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    RichardAnd
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    Sounds like it could be trouble. Anything from that era is exposed to prime, Celtic Tiger chicanery. I nearly bought an apartment of a similar age a few years ago, but my solicitor got a hold of some very questionable documents from the vendor that led to y withdrawing from the sale.



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    Hannaho
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    Thanks, RichardAnd, that's my feeling too, that it might be best to withdraw from the sale. I kniw Montaine Developments were considered good developers but no fire audit worries me. 3 other apartments in that block sold over thd last 2 years, I wonder why the purchaser's didn't question this.



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    holliehobbie
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121463637#Comment_121463637

    The purchasers may have been buying to let out the apartment?



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    Gumbo
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    Is a fire audit mandatory?

    I know of many that haven’t got it.



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    Hannaho
    Registered Users Posts: 722 ✭✭✭Hannaho


    I don't know if a fire audit is mandatory but my surveyor stressed the importance of having one before completing the sale.



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    galwaytt
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121463768#Comment_121463768

    Your surveyor is right.

    That said, if the apartment appeals and makes sense in every other way, why not just get a fire audit done ? You'd have to have the agreement of the seller to do so, and realistically they should be paying for it. However, in a sellers market even if you split the cost of it it might still be worth doing.

    But you'll need an idea of cost of that beforehand.

    If the seller can't/won't get/allow one to be done, then you can walk away knowing you did your best diligence.

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    Fiona
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    Run for the hills!



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    Gumbo
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121465240#Comment_121465240

    Who will stand over this fire audit?

    Where will the surveyor get access to?

    Within the apartment is easy :

    Protected Entrance Hall (depending on design).

    Fire Alarm.

    Party wall

    penetrations.

    Many will require intrusive works to see.

    Now out to the common areas, service risers, cross compartment doors, vertical and horizontal penetrations, they will all require MC approval to inspect and even at that, it will just be visual.

    Following Grenfell, DFB carried cladding audits on some buildings over a particular height but I don’t think it extended into the internal spaces.

    Genuinely interested in hearing from anybody here who has got one of these audits privately buying an apartment as in in that field of work and personally haven’t heard of it until this thread.

    Will need access to the original Fire Cert to understand the design stratagy, TGDB, BS5588, 9991 etc

    I would have thought this was an audit that would be sanctioned at MC level rather than individual apartment level.



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