Recommendation LED Down lights

holdfast

How is it going ?

I am looking to repalce my down lights with led. What fitting is recommedded ? thanks

embracingLife

Get the fire rated downlights, lots have permanent Led built-in so there no need to change bulbs etc. Also they have a switch on the back of the down lights to change the light colour from Cool white to Warm light.

The generic bare bones down lights are a death trap, notorious for overheating. Do not get them.

there's several brands for reasonable prices, look at Irish electric wholesalers/ builders providers but don't get the generic down lights from amazon or some cheaper online places.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372297#Comment_121372297

Agree all fire rated to reinstate the fire barrier

How much value is a switch on the back of a downlight ? Not much more benefit than simply picking the bulb color you want

Also lamp failure ya'd have to replace the unit for that type

embracingLife

The switch is useful purely during installation to allow the user to decide which colour of whiteness they want the lights to emit. Then the fitting is installed and left there and no need to access the switch ever again.

Well lots of Led down lights are being made with permanent bulbs fitted. Lots of other types Led light fittings are being made with permanent Leds so if the fitting fails the whole thing has to be replaced. This is the type of light fitting that is increasingly becoming available in all electric supplies shops whether its wholesalers or ordinary electric shops/hardwares. You should go into electric wholesalers and see what they are stocking.

I'm sure there's ones with removable bulbs that are available so it's merely a suggestion.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372501#Comment_121372501

I'm not advocating either way just pointing out pros and cons

Proceed with caution when deciding to fit integrated equipment

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372501#Comment_121372501

I'd say you're probably right

The integrated will be airtight in comparison to the fire rated gu10 afaik

That would be the biggest deciding factor in integrated favour I think

Also the price is comparable to gu10 on these

https://www.screwfix.ie/p/luceco-ftype-mk-2-flat-fixed-cylinder-fire-rated-led-downlight-cct-colour-change-white-4-6w-710-725-750-745lm/468kl

holdfast

https://www.screwfix.ie/p/luceco-ftype-mk-2-flat-fixed-cylinder-fire-rated-led-downlight-cct-colour-change-white-4-6w-710-725-750-745lm/468kl

Thanks for all the replies. With the bulb above does the fitting need to be changed or does it fit into the old.

kirk.

Not familiar but they'd be all one I assume, lamp goes > replace whole unit

If I was fitting a lot of them I'd probably keep a couple of spares . Might be hard get an exact replacement a few years later

embracingLife

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121372519#Comment_121372519

I'm merely clarifying any confusion to the public who read this thread in regards your post about what I wrote.

embracingLife

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121373398#Comment_121373398

All of these integrated down light are one unit. It's not recommended to try to take them apart. You'll see yourself when you take it out of the box. That's why I recommend you go to local hardware/electric shops to get them as the staff usually allow you to open the box and show you it before buying. With online sales you can't inspect before buying.

shane b

Do you know what size your cutout is?

I replaced a number of soffit downlights earlier this year and the size of the cutout really limited my options.

I found downlight with a cutout 6 or 7 mm smaller was a bit sloppy in the hole. In the end I got 6w downlights that suited in homebase of all places.

G-Man

Are these, when replaced, sealed but cool enough to cover with large amounts of insulation.. I assume they meet lo air loss too ...

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383478#Comment_121383478

The downlights should state "insulation coverable" if they can be covered with attic insulation

See below:

https://www.luceco.com/uk/specification/ancillary/ftype

Integrated downlights should have much better air-tightness than fire rated GU10 afaik

kirk.

The luceco above have most of the ratings you'd be looking for in a downlight afaik.

-Fire rated

-Acoustic rated

-Air leakage rated

-And insulation coverable

cnocbui

I wouldn't buy a light fitting I couldn't change the bulb on. While the LED's themselves may be theoretically good for 20,000 hours, I have found that the electronics driving them are not, and in my case very often fail well inside the lifespan of a normal hallogen I replaced with them. No LED either sealed or interchangeable bulb, is going to run cool if it's giving out an adequate amount of light.

kirk.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121383650#Comment_121383650

That is the risk with integrated

Failures happen and the unit needs to be replaced and match the existing fitting .Model may no longer be available.