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Hamas strike on Israel - mod warning in OP updated 19/10/23

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    whooosh - over the head!

    Reducing aid further from starvation levels will put Smotrich and the Israeli Govt. further into the crosshairs of the ICJ and ICC



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,365 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Oh I'd say he's firmly on the books, as are quite a few in Likud. Israel acting in the manner that they have has made a lot of heads turn and has generated a lot of questions as to just what it is that that country is all about. The happy clappy propaganda version of the innocent ingenue is no longer working, and its true rapacious nature has been firmly revealed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,468 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Someone just said on the Trump thread that supporting Hamas was a 'righteous cause' for the Irish. Kind of matches your combination. Especially the use of 'righteous.'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    For those obsessed with the numbers of Palestinians murdered in Gaza being a pittance and not worthy of the moniker "Genocide", the number of dead reported just increased by over 40% to >65,000

    Bear in mind, that figure only accounts for bodies found. There are tens of thousands of Palestinians under the rubble, shredded so fine that nothing anatomically recognisable remains or were simply vaporised. The final tally is bound to exceed 200k.

    Haaretz:
    The official Palestinian tally of direct deaths in the Gaza war likely undercounted the number of casualties by 41 percent through the middle of 2024 as the Strip's healthcare infrastructure unraveled, according to a peer-reviewed study published by academics at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, Yale University and other institutions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Two items of note:

    IDF soldiers in their excitement at posting extrajudicial killings to their fave social medial accounts have opened themselves up to a trip to The Hague.


    There have been many posts categorically attributing all deaths on Oct 7th to Hamas. We know that there are credible reports that Israel implemented the Hannibal Directive and at least 12 confirmed Israelis were killed by friendly fire plus the occupants of 70+ vehicles apparently shredded by attack helicopters (Israeli).

    Seems there wasn't just the Hannibal Directive though:


    Haaretz:

    The IDF said that an investigation of the deaths of two Israelis in Kibbutz Nahal Oz during Hamas' October 7 attack suggests they may have been killed by Israeli soldiers. The findings on the deaths of Tomer Arava Eliaz, 17, and his mother, Dikla Arava, 51, were based on accounts by soldiers, commanders and civilians present in Nahal Oz that day.

    "All through the war in Gaza, Israeli soldiers have been leaving behind not only their physical footprints but also digital fingerprints, with many of them posting videos and photos of themselves online – and sometimes recording improper conduct and potential war crimes. This of course breaches IDF regulations, but it has also happened in the course of Israeli military operations in Lebanon and Syria – and some soldiers are now paying for it. For many anti-Israel organizations seeking to bring Israeli soldiers to trial, these videos and photos are a digital treasure trove, packed with potential evidence of war crimes in the Gaza Strip… The Belgium-based Hind Rajab Foundation is once such organization" – Milan Czerny



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    The Hind Rajab Foundation will be important in bringing some Israeli mass murderers to justice. They are open to donations.

    Are initially targeting 1000 soldiers that are guilty of war crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Who would these "Irish Hamas diehards" be - I'm not aware of any Hamas supporters regularly posting here? Plenty of posts here debating War Crimes and Genocide though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 527 ✭✭✭Bitcoin


    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/10/gaza-death-toll-40-higher-than-official-number-lancet-study-finds

    Analysis estimates death toll by end of June was 64,260, with 59% being women, children and people over 65

    The world continues to stand by and watch this genocide unfold. What's worse is that some actively sponsor it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,732 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Trump has sent an envoy to seek peace in Gaza, Maybe he's not as bad as many thought.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0111/1490257-gaza-school-strike/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,336 ✭✭✭Odhinn




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,732 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Indeed. That doesn't look good for peace in the region alright.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    It does not bode well that Smotrich (potential War Criminal #3) and Ben-Gvir (convicted terrorist) sent Huckerbee "love hearts" by text…

    That said, I see that Mossad are going to Doha so that may be positive for progress on a ceasefire.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,886 ✭✭✭✭cj maxx


    From a link above Germany, the USA and Uk have sent representatives to lobby on behalf of the Israel hostages still held . No mention of Israel destroying homes and hospitals . Hang your heads in shame .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,732 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Yes it's a strange world we love in when the big powers back the people doing the Genociding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,263 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Sky news published an analysis of some CCTV footage of the most moral army in the world in the West Bank.

    It shows how IDF soldiers bravely jumped out of their armoured vehicle in the middle of a lengthy firefight and took out a dangerous terrorist fleeing down the street towards his next target

    Just kidding. They were hidden inside the back of an ambulance, and jumped out and shot a random 80 year old woman six times as she walked down the street. Caught on CCTV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,732 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,765 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Israel says it will leave Gaza if all hostages are released.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/01/13/israel-hamas-final-ceasefire-draft/

    Israel is willing to withdraw its troops from Gaza when all hostages have been released under a ceasefire deal with Hamas, The Telegraph has learned...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,732 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    That's contrary to what Netanyahu has said all along. Hope it's right though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,765 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Israeli news media reporting the ceasefire deal is done and is likely to be voted on by the Israeli cabinet as early as tomorrow.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,732 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    There will be plenty of mongers voting against according to the News but hopefully it's passed.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    Surprising move by Netanyahu. Perhaps he is not at all certain of Trump's support in continuing the operation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,960 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    The speculation I've heard is that Trump's inauguration next Monday is weighing very heavily on the ceasefire talks (which shows just how utterly useless Biden has been since October 7th….the guy is a disaster).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,395 ✭✭✭dmcdona


    Interesting reports coming out of Israel on the impending ceasefire and political infighting.

    It's really no surprise that the despicable duo of convicted terrorist Ben-Gvir and Smotrich are dead set against a deal stating that is a "surrender". Of course, any deal means the settlement of Gaza is off the cards and their mates would be very upset at not getting their prime Mediterranean real estate.

    In other news, Italy has been asked to detain an IDF War Criminal; Danes and UK are pressuring Israel for UNWRA to continue providing humanitarian aid; Israel continues to ignore its legal duty to provide aid directly to those who need it.

    Of note - the first quote below is very interesting as regards what Trump might do…


    Haaretz:

    "Whoever is looking for Trump's permission for Israel to finally bring down the Palestinian Authority and annex the Palestinian territories best remember that this is the president who signed an agreement with the Taliban, pushed Saudi Arabia into negotiations with the Houthis and demanded that Turkey reach an agreement with the Kurds. Trump also did not renounce the two-state solution that he explicitly presented in his 'deal of the century'"– Zvi Bar'el


    Yehuda Cohen, whose son Nimrod is held in Gaza, said during a Knesset panel that the Israeli government has "committed crimes and betrayed the State of Israel," which forced him to support the International Criminal Court's arrest warrant against Netanyahu. Cohen was then attacked by Likud lawmaker Eliyahu Revivo, who told him he was sentencing his son to be "in Hamas-ISIS dungeons for many more years" with his "vile words."


    "Humanitarian aid organizations have been arguing for months that the main obstacle to delivering humanitarian aid to the Gaza Strip is the collapse of civil order and the fact that a huge portion of the aid entering Gaza is looted by criminals, either en route to distribution centers or even within the centers themselves. Organizations point the finger at Israel and the Israel Defense Forces, claiming they fail to prevent the looting and even encourage certain armed groups as part of an effort to bolster families and factions that might collaborate with Israel in the future" – Nir Hasson

    The Hind Rajab Foundation announced that it has approached authorities in Italy with a demand to arrest Israeli IDF officer Maj. Gen. Ghassan Alian, whom the organization claims is currently in the country, for alleged war crimes in Gaza.


    Danish Foreign Minister Lars Lokke Rasmussen said Monday that Denmark does not see an alternative to UNRWA in Gaza, "for sure not in the near future." Regarding Denmark's position on Israel's decision to stop cooperating with UNRWA, Rasmussen said that "We definitely do not see eye to eye on this issue."


    British Foreign Secretary David Lammy met with his Israeli counterpart, Gideon Sa'ar, calling for "the urgent need for an immediate cease-fire with all hostages immediately released and all restrictions on aid to Gaza lifted," as well as "urged Israel not to endanger UNRWA's ability to operate, and to prevent the collapse of the humanitarian response" in Gaza.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 245 ✭✭REDBULL68


    Looks like sleepy Joe ,got a ceasefire expect loads of admiration tomorrow, no mention of his government having supplied the weapons that probably killed over 100 thousand woman ,kids and men after they dig up the rubble ,go usa .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,878 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Biden is a joke of a president. Has been for a long time now.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,960 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    It's infuriating. The **** had 16 months to force a ceasefire on the Israelis and did absolutely nothing (and kept arming them). The word is that Netanyahu is terrified of a Trump presidency and feels he has no choice but to order a ceasefire ahead of the inauguration (seemingly Trump's team have been in contact and laid it on the line for him). Netanyahu knew that Biden was pathetic and weak and could safely be ignored.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,765 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Deal announcement very close. It would consist of 3 stages

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/01/14/israel-hamas-gaza-war-ceasefire-latest-news/

    Stage 1

    • Thirty-four Israeli hostages released, mainly children, women, elderly and ill
    • Hundreds of Palestinian prisoners to be released from Israeli jails
    • Israeli forces will begin withdrawing from Gaza and Palestinian residents will be able to return to those areas
    • Increase in aid trucks entering Gaza

    Stage 2

    • Male hostages of military age will be released from Gaza
    • Fifty Palestinian prisoners will be released for every Israeli soldier
    • A total of 50 prisoners serving life sentences will be released
    • Israel will withdraw completely from Gaza

    Stage 3

    • Involved parties will begin talks on reconstructing Gaza
    • Talks begin on setting the next ruler of Gaza

    The win here for Israelis and Palestinians is that no terror organisation will have any role 'governing' Gaza in future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,220 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I think it's a bit more complex than he just fears and respects Trump in a way he did not fear Biden. Netanyahu and his party don't like or trust the Democrats, and they did everything they could to meddle last year to get Trump (re)elected. Delaying any agreement with Hamas and continuing the bombing in Gaza was a piece of that effort. It definitely hurt Harris.

    The Israelis (or Netanyahu) nailed the colours to the mast in US politics this time in a way I don't think they ever have before. The Democrats are not just going to forget it, even if nothing is said in public.

    If Trump wants the bombing of Gaza to stop/some agreement to be made ready for when he takes office, and Netanyahu says no and spurns him, all they will have done is anger both sets of US politicians! So he really has no choice, when Trump tells him to do it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,765 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    I have zero doubt that if Trump wasn't elected this wouldn't be happening. The Israeli right wing are going ballistic over it - a good sign. They thought Trump was their man.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭taratee


    Is it really a surprise? This has been on the cards for a while now. I posted an article from The Times of Israel a few months ago, where Trump mentioned that he wanted Israel to be at the end stage of the war by now. There are lots of theories circulating in Israel, particularly on the far right. A tiny minority believe that war will re-commence after phase 2. Others are suggesting that Iran and it's allies are going to be subject to crippling sanctions once phase 1 is completed. Naturally, the majority of people just want to see an end to it all.

    One thing is crystal clear: Iran and its allies are wary of Trump. He’s difficult to deal with, but maybe that’s what the world needs right now. If he can broker a deal in Ukraine within the next few weeks, then, to be fair, he’ll be off to a strong start.

    Am Yisrael Chai



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭taratee


    100% agree with you. I think he knows that Trump wouldn't think twice about throwing him under the bus. Never ever got the feeling that Bibi viewed Biden or Harris in the same light.

    Am Yisrael Chai



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,069 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Trump is absolutely no friend of Palestine. That man couldn’t give a fook how many people die in Gaza.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,960 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But is no friend of Israel's either. The word on the grapevine is that he despises Netanyahu and regards him as a parasite who is leeching off the US.

    Biden is much more of a committed right wing Zionist and Israel supporter than Trump ever will be.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,237 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    A good result for Israel and most of all, the people of Gaza. Hamas is to no longer rule Gaza, that is a win for anyone and everyone. Getting the hostages back too, is a good outcome.
    Hamas, the ultimate slow learners.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,237 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    On the realpolitik of it.
    Iran and its proxies have been severely weakened over the past 12 months.
    Syria is gone.
    Hamas decimated.
    Hezbollah decapitated
    Iran is on the run, and we know how Trump hates the regime. There will be serious fears that the regime can even survive the next 4 years under a Trump presidency.

    Israel has won this war, no doubt. It is the best time to make its peace, get its hostages and withdraw. But it will still be wary that some other terrorist organisation will take the place of Hamas. Will Ireland step up and prevent this? Will they send troops to the region?


    Where are the brave posters now?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,350 ✭✭✭volchitsa


    I think we all know that Trump's only principle and loyalty is to himself. He's not a committed zionist because he has no commitments other than to himself. However I think it's obvious that he actively dislikes the Palestinian cause. I don't know how far that makes a difference to what he will do in office.

    ”I enjoy cigars, whisky and facing down totalitarians, so am I really Winston Churchill?”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 747 ✭✭✭Fuascailteoir


    Is a dying settler/colonial project. Riots on the streets for the right to rape Palestinian detainees. An absolutely abhorrent state



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭taratee


    I’d be hard-pressed to think of a better country to provide troops. They are perfect for the job: a neutral country with a natural bond with the Palestinian people. It’s time for these men and women to step up to the plate. I’d imagine Fatah, what’s left of Hamas, and the rest of the Palestinian people would be delighted to see their Irish brothers and sisters on the streets of Gaza.

    It will be interesting to see what happens with the genocide case. Will they drop it or proceed and risk a loss? Either way, it’s hard to see how Ireland emerges from this situation positively.

    I really hope Trump takes a hard stance on Iran. A wide range of crippling sanctions could make it nearly impossible for the regime to survive the next four years. If this happens, Israel will emerge from this horrible and tragic period stronger than ever.

    Am Yisrael Chai



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,336 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    I have my doubts regarding Israel allowing UN troops to be placed in Gaza.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,697 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    I don't think the ceasefire will last long so the idea of placing Irish troops in the firing line is pretty sick. Some posters just seem to mimic Alan Shatter: hating Ireland because we don't agree with israels occupation. Will be years i think till un would have troops there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,069 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    When do they start collecting money here for all the rebuilding? Usually what happens, isn’t it? Israel decimates Palestine and our tax goes to rebuilding..and on it goes



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,732 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,732 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    So Qatar that was vilified by many posters for harbouring Hamas leaders is now the ''good guy'' for brokering peace.

    It's the Middle East lads. Nothing is beyond belief.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 58,069 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    the Israelis will be delighted… keep sendin the bombs, the paddies will pay



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53,732 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,220 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Noone is going to put their soldiers into Gaza (IMO). That would require some level of masochism. First, they would probably have whatever is left of Hamas/armed gangs shooting at them. If that were all, maybe they could cope with it eventually if they could get the population on side.

    However they also can expect to be droned & missiled by the IDF regularly (accidentally on purpose!), whenever Israeli govt. or population is unhappy with the foolish govt. who sent them and wants to use them as a whipping boy, prove some point and show who is really the boss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,237 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Eh what?

    Not much of a colonial state if they are withdrawing (again) from land.

    There was a lot of talk about Israel trying to re-settle Gaza. This has been shown up to be both absurd and nonsense. Not that anyone will admit they were wrong about it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,336 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    "Not much of a colonial state if they are withdrawing (again) from land."

    I see no sign of them withdrawing from the West Bank, Arab East Jerusalem, the Golan etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,237 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    I think it's about the hypocrisy.

    We want peace, but won't life a finger to preserve it. Shouting from the sidelines, as per usual.



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