Hamas strike on Israel

Longing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336071#Comment_121336071

I have condemned what was happening to the people on both sides. You can look for them yourself. And still you are triggered by the little girl photo. You talk about good and evil I ask you do you condemn the taking of this innocent child. Do you call for her to be returned to her Mother and Father. Yes or No.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336105#Comment_121336105

I think all the people being held hostage should be released. The thousands of Palestinians (including women and children) who have been locked up in Israeli prisons without trial. Also the millions of people who are held de-facto hostage in the massive open-air prison that is Gaza. Most of those are Palestinian, some are Israeli - included among those are the ones abducted by Hamas a month ago. Some are even Irish citizens - mostly Palestinians, but at least one Israeli. All being held hostage. And all should be released.

You're very touchy because I pointed out a simple fact.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336070#Comment_121336070

Chanting from the river to the sea is antisemitism. Angry hamas supporters calling for destruction of Israel is antisemitism. One of them managed to kill a jew, and it was the antisemitism who got them there.

Longing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336114#Comment_121336114

Should this little girl be returned unharmed..

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336007#Comment_121336007

The letter contains a lot of whatabouttery and an attack on the original signatories. They seem to be implying that they don't care about the deaths of israeli civilians because they didn't give them enough word count. And that calling for a boycott is wrong unless they boycott other places. maybe those other places should be boycotted too but just because they're not, doesn't mean that israeli ones shouldn't.

There's also very few people signing this compared with the previous

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336126#Comment_121336126

How long do you want to go on with this sh1te? I've already told you that all the hostages should be released. "Both sides" my arse. The propaganda has clearly worked on you.

gw80

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336018#Comment_121336018

But,but,but, surely with irelands unwavering solidarity with fellow freedoms fighters,Hamas, and how much Palestinians are so grateful for irelands support threw the years,they would immediately hand over this irish girl to her family and apologise to the Irish as a token of their gratitude for all the said support,

It's almost like they couldn't give a ****.

sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336124#Comment_121336124

If someone gets punched in the face for saying that a child deserved to die because their parents might have voted for Hamas in 2006, it isn't antisemitism.

nacho libre

Well whatever Hamas's objective was it has been a massive own goal. I suspect they thought there would be a regional war, but they found out they were on their own. As Brendan O' Connor put it Nasrallah was akin to a drunk saying hold me back

There was a debate in this thread as to whether Gaza was occupied or not between some posters, but Nethanyu's statement confirms it will be. Could this turn those who support Hamas against them? They went through all this suffering only to have Nethanyu declare Israel will have security responsibility over Gaza at the end of it. The best outcome for Israelis and Palestinians is for Nethanyu and his far right head bangers to leave the stage along with their former dance partner Hamas after this war is over and be replaced by moderates. Also America needs to get tough with Qatar and Israel.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336141#Comment_121336141

I suppose we will have to wait to see. Israel currently aren't putting any Irish citizens on the list of people allowed to leave the territory in any case. Would they extend this to one of their own citizens? They have form.

Sir_Name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336069#Comment_121336069

I have looked and I dont see anything about Israel giving land to Palestinians. So... source?

Longing

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336139#Comment_121336139

No you didn't I'm talking about this little Israel girl should be released. You didn't give a yes or no. You went on the talk about all hostages. You brought up my first post on this girl to deflect that I was not seeing clearly that propaganda had influenced my post. For you to come on to reply about it and use propaganda tool has your weapon to reply and deflect just shows what a person you really are.

All children need to be highlighted when wrong is done.

sock.rocker*

Kind of like how America gave land to native Americans for their reservations.

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336152#Comment_121336152

Doesn't really matter if it is antisemitism or not, it's still manslaughter, hope that yob who killed the Jewish pensioner will get a lengthy prison sentence.

brickster69

i wonder why they would do that ?

https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1721824096395403752

Patrick2010

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336163#Comment_121336163

I don't think it was an own goal, I think it was what they exactly wanted. I saw an interview with a Hamas spokesman where he said October 7 was only the first, that there will be many more attacks and if Israel retaliate Palestinians are prepared to embrace martyrdom.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336105#Comment_121336105

Of course she should be returned to her parents - that's an entirely facile question.

And Israel should stop murdering thousands of children the same as her by raining shells, bombs and missiles down on a defenceless population. It is absolutely disgusting what is happening, active genocide of a population.

unkel

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336163#Comment_121336163

Couldn't agree more. I'd say it was the threatening language from Biden to Iran to not get involved and the show of military force in the region that did the trick.

sock.rocker*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336207#Comment_121336207

Well the conversation was about what constitutes antisemitism, not the specific event, so it does matter. And yes, it's manslaughter because collective punishment doesn't exist in the civilised world.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336163#Comment_121336163

I don't know about the own goal. I remember Padraig Pearse believed that the flames of Irish nationalism could only be lit by the blood of Irish Martyrs (I'm paraphrasing). He knew that there was zero chance of success in 1916 but went ahead because he believed that it would awaken the irish people.

I think Hamas wanted something similar. I think they believed that not just through the attack, but through the predictable retaliation by a right wing Israeli government would make the Palestinian people waken up, give Hamas more of a leading position in the Palestinian political community and would cause international condemnation of israel once the retaliation started.

freebritney

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336163#Comment_121336163

Maybe it's the reason Netanyahu has backed them all along. The West Bank will be next for "security responsibility" after they goad, taunt, steal land from and murder enough of the Palestinians into fighting back.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336233#Comment_121336233

Don't think that at all.

Hamas are just evil ideologues, intent on the elimination of all Jewish people "from the river to the sea".

They celebrated and gloried in the killings of women and babies.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336198#Comment_121336198

I already answered your question. You are doing the typical zionist deflection tactic of deflection by trying to demand who says anything against them first condemn increasingly specific things that suit your agenda.

You asked should this specific girl be released. I responded that all hostages should be released. You didn't like that answer, because it went against your faux "both sides" position. But she is obviously included in "all". So then you want to go down some rabbit hole. You'll ask should she be released unharmed. I'll say yes and ask you whether the hostages held by Israel will be released unharmed. You will then further deflect and demand that I first say that the girl should not be subject to any fear while she is a hostage. So I'll say "of course - what about the hostages being held by Israel" and you will reply "why won't you demand that she be given food and water. I haven't heard you demand that yet". I'll say "of course she should be given food and water the same as all hostages. C'mon, why aren't you answering about the hostages being held by Israel". Then you'll reply "I notice your failure to demand she be given adequate facilities to sleep comfortably in" and so on and so on. Maybe you'll post another photo of her.

It's pure pure deflection and propaganda to focus on your particular "cause" and to drown out any mention of victims on the "other side".

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336018#Comment_121336018

Release the hostages.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336198#Comment_121336198

The thread is riddled with false equivalences put up by those wanting to excuse the war crimes of Hamas.

The taking of civilian hostages by Hamas on October 7th was a war crime, they should be released immediately. Whataboutery prisoners is just sickening.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336292#Comment_121336292

All of them. The Israeli's abducted a month ago. The Irish citizen's that Israel won't allow to leave Gaza. The Palestinian women and children and men held without trial in Israeli facilities and prisons. The 2 million Palestinians being held hostage by Israel in the open air prison that is Gaza. The ones Palestinians being held hostage by the Israeli occupation in the West Bank.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336310#Comment_121336310

False equivalences.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336301#Comment_121336301

Thread is fully of those denying equivalences, who want to cheer on deliberate and measured genocide of some brown looking people

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336320#Comment_121336320

I am not cheering on Hamas seeking to fulfill their professed and explicit mandate of the elimination of all Jews "from the river to the sea".

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121336335#Comment_121336335

Perhaps you would if the Palestinians looked more like us and Hamas had a better propaganda machine

You appear to be more concerned with the "side" that has some group spouting rhetoric about ending a political State, than the "side" actually committing genocide as we speak