Hamas strike on Israel

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123605900#Comment_123605900

Do my eyes deceive me?

Incompatible with your narrative

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1j5954edlno.amp

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/may/29/israel-new-settlements-occupied-west-bank-palestinian-state

sheepysheep

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123605910#Comment_123605910

And that you left out that the rebuttal came from Haifa is disingenuous. Let's see what they said that illustrates their bias:

it shouldn't matter where they are from if the science is solid, but you can't see past their heritage.

Critique their thesis, not them.

The Lancet letter was dead in the water the moment they posted online that the figures they used were for Illustrative purposes only.

Me or you could write a similar letter in about 20 minutes and then select a random multiplier for Illustrative purposes. There is no science if you admit that you're just selecting numbers at random for effect.

sheepysheep

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123605914#Comment_123605914

I thought you were talking about Gaza which is the main topic of discussion.

DayInTheBog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123605909#Comment_123605909

The sole purpose of Oct 7 was to butcher and rape as many men, women and children as possible. Very different to killing terrorist operatives with the unfortunate collateral losses.

Im not surprised you don't see the difference but it seems Hamas are a grand bunch of lads and just misunderstood from your view point.

DayInTheBog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123605903#Comment_123605903

Since you've not once acknowledged the reason for the attack and the general acceptance of a Hamas operative being the target just to make it all about the civilians, you'll have to forgive me when I don't take your suggestions seriously.

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123605925#Comment_123605925

Nope west bank, the topic of the post.

But come here, if they have no problem annexing the west bank, why do you think they wouldn't try to do the same in Gaza?

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123600626#Comment_123600626

My side? You should be embarrassed for posting that potatoeman. Genocidal rhetoric should be condemned whether it's from the Likud charter or from Hamas. You are exposing your lack of principles when you express selective outrage about it.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123605923#Comment_123605923

Still no source? No surprise there then.

Also still waiting for your explanation of you accusing me of being a Jew Hater.

It's remarkable how quickly those who have no cogent supported argument to make simply resort to name calling - textbook Hasbara.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123605846#Comment_123605846

Would you repeat that same mantra if several suicide bombers were to blow themselves up tomorrow in busy parts of Tel Aviv killing hundreds of Israelis?

SafeSurfer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123605928#Comment_123605928

And yet primitive Hamas killed a lower ratio of civilians to military combatants than the high tech, precision strike, IDF.
How many Israeli civilians do you believe were killed by the IDF on October 7th? Why did an IDF report state that friendly fire incidents on October 7th would not be investigated due to their scale?

Were IDF rapes of Palestinians merely accidental or do believe they were deliberate? They were not planned they just couldn’t help themselves, is that your argument?

Bishop of hope

Hamas don't wear uniforms in fairness, if you could call it that. Hard to distinguish from ordinary citizens. But a title for tat on which is the worst is hardly an argumentative point. Both sides are cold blooded killers.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123605925#Comment_123605925

I can see that you are absolutely floundering on this visit too but there is no need to be so disengenuous with posters that are making an effort to enlighten you. The point on the west Bank is absolutely relevant in terms of Israel's plans for annexation. You are extremely naive if you don't think Israel have plans to annex part or all of Gaza. They have said it time and time again.

dmcdona

The irony - Ben-Gvir, convicted terrorist…

And interesting how they can do this yet let an alleged War Criminal (at large) run the country.

Israeli police announced the arrest of a Palestinian from the West Bank city of Tubas on suspicion of incitement against Israel and against National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123605158#Comment_123605158

No one has suggested a fourth estate. The implication is that the Israeli lobby, which is real, is having influence in the politics in Britain as a result. Labour friends of Israel is a well known pro-Israel lobby of which a large number of sitting MPs, Lords and other high level Labour officials are beneficiaries of. Including Starmer and his inner circle.

It's hard to ignore this. Nobody is suggesting that "Jews are controlling the world". People are suggesting that Israel has influence though lobbies in some western nations, which it does.

Israel continues to try and hide behind anti-Semitic tropes, using it as a firewall for their own behaviours.

Israel does not equal all Jews.

Israel does not equal all Jews.

Israel does not equal all Jews.

It's laughable that the government in Westminster claims that Israel has the right to self determination yet at the same time block the Scots from theirs. The hypocrisy runs deep.

No nation has the right to self determination at the expense of the rights of other people. Especially when there is a bottomless pit of human rights violations.

The Israel lobby has influence over certain governments and as a result those governments are complicit in the ongoing genocide.

It is not anti semetic to point this out. It is a fact.

A complete misrepresentation of people wanting the death toll to be higher. Misinformation is common and has been for a long time, it's not unreasonable for someone to take those figures at face value. There is no underlying desire for a higher death toll.

There doesn't need to be more death to justify accusing Israel of genocide. They have handily met the criteria.

That's why there are arrest warrants out. That's why there's a genocide case before the courts.

Stop misrepresenting what other posters have said.

DayInTheBog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123606030#Comment_123606030

Is there a known military target in your hyperbole?

Heres some info for you on suicide bombers within Israel all by Hamas and mainly purely against civilians.

Bus stations, medical facilities and the best one for you , a bar mitzvah just to name a few and you think these guys shouldn't be bombed.

They dont care about the people they put the vest on,or their families.

https://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/isrl-pa/ISRAELPA1002-08.htm

But no, in your mind Israel are the bad guys. No point me trying to argue with irrational.

Have a nice life

DayInTheBog

Are the IDF perpetrated rapes more vile than the hamas perpetrated ones which we saw the results of on TV as the showpieced their victims on TV from the back of a truck.

You seem to think just because it was done by an Israeli, it was worse.

Lawlesz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123605886#Comment_123605886

this is getting utterly utterly ridiculous. Really starting to wonder what is going on in this thread with people like you popping up, constantly muddying the water, ignoring parts of a question and answering other parts out of context. When pressed you either disappear or just tell people to google it.

The IDF killed Israeli citizens on Oct 7th, yes. That is an absolute fact. The fact that you ignore, or more likely don’t even know, this shows you up for what you are.

But hey, people die in war, right? Thats a pity but let’s move on… it is absolutely disgusting behaviour, honestly. I sincerely hope you have no kids or nieces and nephews around you, with that blatant disregard for humanity.

Yeah_Right

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123603311#Comment_123603311

Simple. More people care about football than Palestine.

DayInTheBog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123606285#Comment_123606285

I don't see you getting so agitated with boko haram killing Christians in Nigeria, or the Syrian regime killing their own people and burning down churches or the hindu nationalists killing Muslims and Christians in Orissa where I know some of the families affected.

When I see the same response from you regarding other parts of the world were atrocities are also happening I'll take you seriously. Otherwise it just seems that it's Israel doing this and there to blame for it all.

As for the Hannibal directive, you seem to think that was worse than what Hamas did. As we all know ,Hamas have no problem using civilians in the bombing campaigns.

I can actually see the logic of the directive to not let any cars get back to Gaza. Probably saved the civilians from a worse fate from what we know of the experiences of hostages.

nacho libre

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123606283#Comment_123606283

Both are despicable. So this is progress as you seem to be admitting there shouldn't be "sides" taken when war crimes are being committed. Hamas and the IDF are to be condemned and should be held accountable for their crimes

xhomelezz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123606285#Comment_123606285

When this thread hits the new low, it does hit it hard..

Lawlesz

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123606305#Comment_123606305

start a thread on those conflicts then if you want to discuss them. And I will condemn any attacks on civilians. Only you would come on to a thread discussing Hamas and Israel and instead of actually dealing with the topics put to you, suddenly start talking about other conflicts around the world as if it’s some kinda gotcha.

I don’t think that what the IDF did on October 7th is worse than what Hamas did. You have literally zero reason to even suspect that because I have never said it.

“As we all know ,Hamas have no problem using civilians in the bombing campaigns.”

Yes we do all know that. And most rational people can admit that. But you and your cohort cannot seem to admit the same applies to Israel.

It is totally disingenuous to be so horrified by what Hamas did on Oct 7th and then spend almost 2 years defending Israel killing many multiples of that, (whether you believe it’s 50,000 or 400,000).

It is disingenuous to be horrified by Oct 7th but somehow defend medics being mown down and buried alongside their ambulance, of people starving and queuing for food being mown down , of journalists, doctors and whoever else being killed - all completely verifiable war crimes.

Both Hamas and the IDF are bloody thirsty terrorist murderes. I can admit both sides are. You and your mates can’t, and continue to defend the indefensible. And as Palestinians die by the dozen, day by day, we have to come on here and read you say “innocents die in war unfortunately”.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123606305#Comment_123606305

I love how you were correctly described as "constantly muddying the water, ignoring parts of a question and answering other parts out of context." and you reply about Nigeria, Syria and India. All over the shop. And then you say that you will take the poster seriously when they make statements about Nigeria, Syria and India on a Gaza thread. Credibility in tatters.

Timberrrrrrrr

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123606278#Comment_123606278

"Is there a known military target"

IDF HQ which is in the middle of a residential area, or any police/IDF checkpoint in Tel Aviv.

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123606305#Comment_123606305

Come here, would you also be on a boko haram thread telling people to stop denouncing boko haram killing innocent civilians, because they aren't talking about similar stuff happening in Syria and Orissa and Palestine?

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123606283#Comment_123606283

Following the reports from Zaka, subsequently utterly debunked and followed by them making millions in donations on the back of emotional tactics, the UN offered Israel a fully independent investigation of claims of sexual violence against Israelis on Oct 7th. When the UN offered to also include sexual violence against Palestinians, Israel refused all offers. So reports of sexual violence on Oct 7th have never been independently investigated.

We know the IDF have a propensity to lie (e.g. execution of 15 medics) as do Zaka.

However, subsequently, it was found the IDF anally raped, with an iron bar, a Palestinian detainee in an Israel jail.

All sexual violence is abhorrent - but Israel covers it up and lies about it. And there has still been no independent investigation of Oct 7th - something the Israeli govt. doesn't want to happen.

Do you ever wonder why?

I do and so do many Israelis.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123606268#Comment_123606268

100% - also, keep in mind that western governments and media are terrified of being labelled "anti-Semitic" (because of the horrible events of the Holocaust) which is another reason they give Israel a free pass. The far right, racist and very violent entity known as Zionism is fully aware of this fact and cynically uses this to its advantage all of the time.

We're seeing this in relation to ourselves. Ireland is apparently now 'the most anti-Semitic country in western Europe' because we dare to criticise the Israeli state and the IDF.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123606305#Comment_123606305

I doubt the occupants of circa 70 cars fleeing for their lives to be met by attack helicopters and Merkava Battle tanks would have shared your sentiment as they were shredded. Nor the 14 or so Israelis hiding in a kibbutz house who were shelled by battle tanks and blown to pieces.

The attack helicopters reloaded several times so I'd imagine many in the convoy desperately trying to escape were well aware what the IDF were doing.

But sure, as you have stated many times, war is war and there will always be "collateral" damage. Except this wasn't collateral damage - it was deliberate execution of their own citizens. Utterly abhorrent and monstrous - totally indicative that they would have no hesitation in stopping to the lowest levels of depravity.

But keep on justifying the indefensible and applying your logic.

batman75

What a truly depressing world we live in when the so called self styled greatest democracy in the world actively assists a genocide. Indeed Bibi is coming over to the U.S. to ask for even more deadly weapons presumably to bomb Iran. Bibi the chief architect of a genocide will be given a heroes welcome by the American political class. A Class in thrall to the Jewish lobby and it's money. Two American president's have now actively supported genocide against the Palestinians since October 7.

I see David Quinn asking on X what was Israel to do after the October7th attacks. Well committing genocide was most definitely not the justified or moral answer. I really hope he's not defending genocide. If he is he needs to be shunned by society here in Ireland. Anybody who supports this genocide in Ireland needs to be treated with societal disdain. You don't get to condemn the holocaust but then condone a genocide.

circadian

Channel 4 have the Gaza documentary on YouTube now.

https://youtu.be/iv3wpeJ6Oco?si=jPKpgmlcnl1Mi5tH