Hamas strike on Israel

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123582928#Comment_123582928

Hamas offered to exile themselves months ago as part of negotiations.

Then Israel reneged on the entire deal.

Last time the perpetrator was Ben-Gvir. Now aid is halted - perpetrator is Smotrich. Two odious little men who are driving genocide, war crimes and murder of tens of thousands. Netanyahu is facilitating them.

Spudmonkey

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-27/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-soldiers-ordered-to-shoot-deliberately-at-unarmed-gazans-waiting-for-humanitarian-aid/00000197-ad8e-de01-a39f-ffbe33780000

Like we didn't know…. most moral army in the world…. ppfffft….

gw80

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123583015#Comment_123583015

I'm gona call it now,

This deal has been concocted by Trump and babies to play out like this,

Bibi gets his pardon, Trump gets his peace prize and when the new government in Israel is voted in later this year,bombing Palestinians can continue and the two lads can just shrug their shoulders and claim " nothing to do with me"

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123583277#Comment_123583277

They were able to get away with supporting Israel and calling it an 'ally' for as long as Israel was able to keep its violence and thuggery down to manageable levels i.e. killing hundreds of Palestinians a year instead of thousands or tens of thousands. 2023-25 has been a game changer though : Israel has gone into full blown genocidal mode and is massacring thousands of civilians, mostly women and children.

The response from western politicians and media has been beyond shocking. Their support for the rancid terrorist entity known as "Israel" has evidently been more important to them than even stoppping a full blown genocide (which is happening in plain sight).

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123583275#Comment_123583275

Everyone knows what they're doing, committing genocide. Shooting fish in a barrel is hardly a tough assignment. The one time anyone actually fired back, they shít their pants.

fly_agaric

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123583410#Comment_123583410

Yes, its a game changer in that I think now a majority of people in all Western countries (even the US I expect) are revolted by Israel's actions but it's not going to be enough to stop what is happening.

It is going to feed into politics and policy more eventually, and could have serious impacts on Israel. Probably by time the Israeli public really start to feel it, they will have buried the skeletons they are making, and view it all as unfair + "antisemitism" etc.

God knows, the Israeli government is rolling the pitch hard for that every chance they get. Each time they are criticised or censured by others for polices, it's straight to screeching about Hamas supporters, the pogroms of Jews, the Holocaust, the "Dreyfus Affair" etc. Toss it all in there!

It's farcical to outsiders now (probably even to people who still support them) but it must work effectively at home, or they would not jump to it.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123584340#Comment_123584340

Ori Goldberg has some fascinating insights on his fellow citizens, describing them as a radicalised death cult. He says they are in a very bad place psychologically and probably mostly hate each other, never mind Palestinians or Gazans.

It's inexplicable though how western politicians and media are going along with this. It seems they are quite prepared to shred the international rules based order, international law, the ICC, the UN etc in order to protect the terrorist state.

Odhinn

You know its bad when even the IOF are calling it out -

"IDF officers and soldiers told Haaretz they were ordered to fire at unarmed crowds near food distribution sites in Gaza, even when no threat was present. Hundreds of Palestinians have been killed, prompting the military prosecution to call for a review into possible war crimes"

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-27/ty-article-magazine/.premium/idf-soldiers-ordered-to-shoot-deliberately-at-unarmed-gazans-waiting-for-humanitarian-aid/00000197-ad8e-de01-a39f-ffbe33780000

Tony EH

There can be no hiding behind the lie of "but…HAMAS" now. Even Israel's own soldiers are appalled by what they've been ordered to do. Firing on desperate civilians as they try get scraps of food isn't something that I've ever seen in any war that I can remember.

Truly the lowest of the low.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123584579#Comment_123584579

You can bet that the evidence is being gathered and will find its way to the ICC and ICJ so that justice can be served.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123584890#Comment_123584890

We all know that the investigators and judges in the ICC and ICJ will be targeted by US and Israel. They will be thwarted at every opportunity.

Cluedo Monopoly

The cowardly disgusting IDF heroes are just terrorists. What possible military targets can they be hitting during their neverending wanton slaughter of innocent men, women and children? It's a terror campaign as part of ethnic cleansing.

62 Palestinians killed by Israeli strikes - Gaza rescuers

Gaza's civil defence agency has said Israeli forces killed at least 62 people, including ten who were waiting for aid.

Civil defence spokesman Mahmud Bassal said 62 Palestinians had been killed by Israeli strikes or gunfire in Gaza.

When asked for comment, the Israeli military said it was "looking into the incidents"

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123585093#Comment_123585093

Not just the US & Israel, seems like David Cameron could be in a bit of bother for threatening judges.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/could-david-cameron-be-prosecuted-threatening-icc

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123584579#Comment_123584579

Not a single IDF member has been shot or injured near the 'GHF' aid points. It's perfectly obvious they are firing on unarmed civilians.

Fuascailteoir

Just when you think they couldn't sink much lower there are reports that oxycodone has been put into the flour that is distributed to gazans through the ghf.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123585093#Comment_123585093

I believe (hope) there is enough motivation and drive to make sure both can do their jobs. I think enough UN members will push hard enough and there will be a lot of support from EU.

The alternative is simply dismantle the UN and all its establishments because it would be useless if it cannot do the job it was given following the horror of the Holocaust.

US (Trump) already sanctioning four ICC staff. Utter disgrace - but no surprise. Israel not a signatory so they have no say. They'll call them all the names under the sun of course but those words are all (ab)used to death and utterly hollow.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123585151#Comment_123585151

Cameron will get his just desserts from MPs and the general public. Utterly disgraceful behaviour. Whatever you think of uk, they have a strong sense of justice being seen to be done. Don't always get it right of course, but when it they get it wrong, they try to put it right (eventually).

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123585342#Comment_123585342

Sweet Jesus…

I said it months back but it really does get worse every single day - is there a govt on this planet, in recent times, more murderous or bloodthirsty than that led by War Criminal Netanyahu?

circadian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123583340#Comment_123583340

Makes for horrific reading, they're being unclear about aid locations and times to justify what they're doing.

What they're doing is playing the Red/Green game from Squid Games using tanks, mounted machine guns, shells and grenade launchers.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123585466#Comment_123585466

there desperately needs to be a regime change in Israel.

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123582729#Comment_123582729

Eh, because they are a terrorist organisation. Seems like you want to give Hamas a pass.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123585614#Comment_123585614

What terrorist organisation has ever been required to leave its own territory and be sent into exile after a ceasefire? The IRA remained in NI after 1998, the ANC remained in South Africa, ETA remained in Spain etc

blanch152

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123585634#Comment_123585634

Many deposed despotic leaders have gone into exile over the years.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123585661#Comment_123585661

Hopefully, the alleged Israeli war criminal leaders will be exiled to The Hague soon enough.

Homelander

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123583607#Comment_123583607

Why do we think Israel **** its pants when anyone fired back?

They're destroyed Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran in purely military terms, at negligible military cost to themselves, in the context of a war.

And Israel is a country that's been at war since its foundation.

It's a country that fought for basic survival several times, and managed to triumph over grand coalitions with far bigger armies, the first few times without any US support whatsoever, and back then even the US didn't think they would survive.

But they did, repeatedly.

It's completely fine to call out Israel for what it's doing, it's completely fine to criticise what's happening in Gaza, it's completely fine to believe they're firing indiscriminately at civilians.

But pretending the IDF is inept, solely effective as a bully, or really anything less than an incredibly powerful military force, doesn't really do the discussion any favors.

It's easy to pretend Israel only exists because of the US, but they went it alone for decades before that relationship was forged, and they won several wars against all odds.

threeball

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123585703#Comment_123585703

Israel pushed for the ceasefire, as they were powerless to stop the missile attacks on Haifa and Tel Aviv. Do you think Trump suggested a ceasefire because the Ayatollah had a word in his ear.

And how do you know that the IDF are very effective when they havent fought a comparable Army. You give any bunch of misfits the highest tech available and put them up against any bunch of insurgents with 1980s tech then they'll come out on top. And I'll admit, they're excellent at shooting unarmed kids and starving people queuing for food but there really is no evidence they're worth a damn at anything other than being flat track bullies. Maybe they should take a pop at the Turks and see how long they last.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123585703#Comment_123585703

Do you really think the IDF is "an incredibly powerful military force"?

They are cowards - they shoot at unarmed civilians, murder kids and babies - they even kill their own. They have looted, filmed their atrocities, raped prisoners, murdered journalist, medics, nuns and even sniped sheep. That isn't what those who serve in any normal "military" do.

If you think the IDF War Criminals are "powerful", by all means, keep bigging them up. But even IDF soldiers are absolutely sickened at what they have done, particularly in recent weeks. They at least have the moral courage to say it.

And there's nothing "powerful" about sitting in a multi million dollar fighter jet dropping a 2000lb bomb on a hospital. Or shredding Israelis, hiding or fleeing, with attack helicopters and Merkava battle tanks.

The IDF are cowards, war criminals and liars - we've been watching it for 630 days.

dmcdona

@Homelander - is this your idea of "an incredibly powerful military force"?

As I said - cowards, liars and war criminals. At least some have the moral courage and honour in calling it out.

Israeli soldiers serving in Gaza told Haaretz that commanders have ordered troops to shoot at unarmed crowds near humanitarian aid distribution sites to drive them away or disperse them, even when it was clear they posed no threat.

• One IDF soldier told Haaretz: "It's a killing field. Where I was stationed, between one and five people were killed every day. They're treated like a hostile force – no crowd-control measures, no tear gas – just live fire with everything imaginable: heavy machine guns, grenade launchers, mortars…I'm not aware of a single instance of return fire. There's no enemy, no weapons."
• An IDF officer serving in the area told Haaretz that, "A combat brigade doesn't have the tools to handle a civilian population in a war zone. Firing mortars to keep hungry people away is neither professional nor humane."
• Haaretz has learned that the Military Advocate General has instructed the IDF General Staff's Fact-Finding Assessment Mechanism – a body tasked with reviewing incidents involving potential violations of the laws of war – to investigate suspected war crimes at the aid distribution sites.

Homelander

You're making a different argument. Nowhere did I say it was fine, justifiable, or otherwise what's happening in Gaza.

That doesn't change the IDF being a very powerful military force.

As to someone saying how do I know the IDF is a powerful or effective army when they haven't fought a comparable army?

They have. Repeatedly. There were several massive wars, involving massive coalition armies invading Israel from all sides.

As I said, several of those wars were won with zero US support, and I don't just mean militarily, I mean without Israel purchasing anything from the US because the US wouldn't sell them anything.

Also, you just have to point to the recent war with Iran. Iran destroyed some buildings and killed a small amount of civilians.

Israel destroyed Iran's air defense system, a lot of what's left of its air force, and killed a big portion of its military leadership.

They also proved how incredibly effective their missile interception systems are. For a tiny, tiny country to survive bombardment with hundreds of ballistic missiles on target, with minimal damage, in the context of a war, is proof of that.

Anyone who can summise that the IDF is inept, useless at anything other than killing civilians…..I do not believe that's an opinion based on any real world reality.

Again, I'm looking at this objectively. I'm not waving the Israeli flag, nor justifying anything whatsoever.

Bishop of hope

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123585773#Comment_123585773

Cowards is not a,word I'd use for them. There are many words I can think of that I'd call them, but they are a fighting force. Hamas are in much the same category I suppose. Prepared to fight and die for their cause.

The real cowards are the democratic nations,who sit by and watch this unfold without making much effort so far at least to stop it.