Hamas strike on Israel

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467432#Comment_123467432

Others have commented on this post - I'll just add this:

along with the standard blatant disregard for facts

Since this thread started, the facts have been to the fore from those horrified by the Israeli retribution on Gaza. Those facts have been fully corroborated with reputable sources.

On the other hand, those supportive of Israel have simply regurgitated the Hasbara at every turn, repeated IDF lies, the lies of Zaka, the lies of the Israeli Govt.

The blatant disregard for facts is only by supporters of the Israeli Genocide.

Face with insurmountable evidence, the lies are still repeated.

But, the tide is turning now - for the good of morality and humanity.

Some will remain morally bankrupt because they swallowed the Hasbara hook, line and sinker.

sock.rocker*

I think it's clear Israel have figured they've come this far and are going to be hated no matter what, so they may as well finish off the job. The difference in repercussions between stopping now and ethnically cleansing Gaza are so minimal that in their minds, it makes no sense to stop.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468068#Comment_123468068

There had been a lot of talk in the last few weeks but it's hard to predict at what point talk becomes action. It's only yesterday UK, France and Canada issued their ultimatum.

I expect a lot more will come forward in the next few days and Israel's status as a World Pariah will be sealed.

I expect the US will issue statements soon enough. They've already mooted "not on our watch" and Trump shunned Israel on his ME visit recently.

But there is one thing for absolute certain - Israel is not stupid. Their callousness is there for all to witness.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467474#Comment_123467474

I don't speak as if all are one. I was quite clear in my posts yesterday about the separation between the people, the state and the government, to the point that one of the pro-Palestine posters on the thread took issue with me doing so.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467618#Comment_123467618

I have to be honest and say that I could easily flip everything you've said. I genuinely can’t see a single reason why antisemitism is such an issue here. The lack of empathy we witnessed in the aftermath of October 7th—even on the day itself—is mind-boggling to me. That includes, but isn’t limited to, the state’s decision not to send a representative to the memorial for October 7th here in Dublin.

You also have to consider the President’s refusal to respect the wishes of the Jewish community by not staying away from the Holocaust memorial. I know people who attended that event—most of whom left before he began speaking—and they said there wasn’t much empathy on display there either. If I was holding a remembrance service, and I asked you to be respectful and stay away from the event, what would you do?

Was there really widespread outrage and sympathy when Irish people found out about the Holocaust? And how does that outrage and sympathy align with the fact that de Valera offered condolences to the German nation on the death of Adolf Hitler?

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468116#Comment_123468116

None of this post is "honest".

• There was widespread empathy for the victims October 7th. To say that there wasn't is a lie.
• President Higgins was INVITED to speak at the event you're bring up. He was invited BY THE ORGANISERS OF THE EVENT.
• De Valera offered his condolences to the German ambassador in Dublin as part of the protocol of his position.

You speak of being honest. I have yet to see you post anything honest in this thread.

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468116#Comment_123468116

Round and round you go. All your points above have been debunked many many times and you have learned nothing. You are actively spreading disinformation in order to justify and condone genocide, I can come to no other conclusion.

Thousands are set to die of starvation in the next few days. Shame on you.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468082#Comment_123468082

Nice try. The figures quoted daily by the pro-Palestine movement come from the Hamas-run health ministry in Gaza. This ministry has somehow been elevated to the status of the sole source of truth in this conflict, while any alternative source or article that contradicts it is instantly dismissed and labeled as Hasbara.

Let that sink in: Hamas—a recognized terrorist organization that negotiates using dead bodies—has become the unquestioned authority on the ground. Think about what Hamas did to the people of Israel on October 7th, and think about what they’ve done, and continue to do, to their own people in Gaza.

So when you talk about morality and humanity, take a hard look at what I’ve just said. They’ve managed to drag you down to their level. You believe and accept what they say without question. I, on the other hand, always have—and always will—take everything they say with a bucketful of salt.

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468176#Comment_123468176

You must also take mortality figures with a bucket of salt from the below organizations

* United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA)

* Office of the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights

* British Public Health Specialists in the UK Ministry of Health

* Johns-Hopkins University

* Uppsala University in Sweden

All have carried out long-term statistical audits of the Palestinian ministry of health mortality figures and find them reliable and in some cases understated.

Those organizations found there is a strict methodology in place for identifying and counting the dead in Palestine, which amongst other criteria involves names being given and id numbers being applied when the persons are unidentifiable

Israel on the other hand, provide absolutely no evidence for their casualty numbers of Palestinians, but that won't bother you.

So really that poster is being dragged down to the level of the UN, the UK Ministry of Health, John Hopkins university, etc.

political analyst

If the aid organisations care so much about civilians in Gaza then why don't they accept the aid convoys that would go into Gaza with private security under Trump's plan?

walshb

There’s a lot people content enough to see food aid blocked by Israel. It means they can bash Israel longer, while pretending from 1000s a miles away that they’re outraged and horrified!

Hellrazer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468176#Comment_123468176

You really are away with the fairies.

Hamas figures have been correlated by multiple recognized agencies.

Whether you think Hamas are a bunch of terrorists or not - just remember their responsibilty is as governors of Gaza which they won by election.

They are responsible for the health agencies and therefore reporting deaths etc in the Gaza strip.

Just because you dont agree with their figures doesnt make the figures incorrect.

Sudden Valley

Amazingly people can be genuinely horrified about a population potentially starving to death. Alot of people have empathy.

dmcdona

the tide is getting stronger.

"A clear majority of EU member states has supported a Dutch proposal for a review of the EU-Israel Association Agreement, RTÉ News understands"

https://www.rte.ie/news/middle-east/2025/0520/1513806-gaza-middle-east/

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468405#Comment_123468405

Because "Concentration Camps".

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468436#Comment_123468436

Horrible, twisted comment tbh

Frank Grimes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468436#Comment_123468436

The only person I've heard saying that is you. There's only a certain, small cohort of posters here who ambivalent at best, happy at worst, to see Palestinians starve to death.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468116#Comment_123468116

Aragh is that all you have? The actions of a FF sheister in the 1940s (I am a Collins man myself).

I ask again, what reason would I or other posters have for being anti Jewish? Give me 1 possible reason? I don't care what stupid religion they are when they are acting like monsters.

mrcheez

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468056#Comment_123468056

The r/Israel sub reddit is just a far right propaganda echo chamber. I got banned from there and was labelled a terrorist for a minor comment.

Though it does seem to tally with the mindset of most Israelis I've met while travelling through South East Asia past few months.

Most are brainwashed and believe the negative stories are fake etc.

Billy Mays

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468436#Comment_123468436

Have a word with yourself

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468176#Comment_123468176

Oh, I've taken a very hard look at your posts - you appear to completely lack the ability for critical thinking, reviewing facts and coming up with a robust conclusion.

Anyone coming up with anything other than the fact that Israel is committing Genocide has certainly swallowed the Hasbara.

It's certainly not critical thinking if you take everything Israel says as Gospel.

But, I'll tell you what, in the coming weeks when images of thousands upon thousands of little bodies wrapped in white shrouds are published every single day, there will be a conversation about what parents here in Ireland, across the EU and all over the world thinks of Israel starving kids to death.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468436#Comment_123468436

Oh here we go. Attention seeker alert. Didn't you run from this thread months ago with your tail between your legs when you couldn't make a coherent argument? What inspired this made up insight? Tell us more of your bad minded thoughts...

dmcdona

As usual, posts allude to the Hamas Health Ministry being the sole arbiter of publishing the number of dead in Gaza. And that is true - but it is not a bad thing.

So where do they get these numbers and are they fantasy?

Here's a BBC verify report on exactly that.

But note - all newborns in Gaza and the West Bank are given a unique ID by the Israeli interior ministry

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67347201

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123466302#Comment_123466302

So how are they supposed to destroy Hamas then? If you know how to fight an all-out war without collateral damage, I'm sure the IDF could use an armchair-general with your expertise. Or are you arguing that Hamas should be let off the hook?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123466399#Comment_123466399

Not sure why I wasted my time reading this drivel but if I understand the TL;DR version, it is this.
"I'm totally not an anti-Semite or a Hamasnik, but I want to destroy Israel, expel its evil citizens … and the Jews control Washington"

Frank Grimes

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468560#Comment_123468560

It's not collateral damage when they're deliberately targeting them, but continue to ignore reality for whatever reasons it is that motivate you.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468141#Comment_123468141

Great post.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468560#Comment_123468560

So, the 15 medics executed by the IDF, who lied and lied and lied about it until evidence was put to them exposing their lies, were just collateral damage?

I would never advise any terrorist organisation - Hamas or the IDF.

But isn't it ironic - Ben-Gvir, the Israeli Minister of National Security is a convicted terrorist. Seems the terrorists are advising the terrorists. And it appears you're good with that. And the murder of medics too.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123463719#Comment_123463719

@SeanW Any chance you would reply to above? Or at least give a reason why you don't reply to posts and questions you don't like.

Hellrazer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468560#Comment_123468560

Hamas is already destroyed. There really is not many of them left - estimates are around 7000-9000 left.

So minuscule compared to the 2.1 million people left in Gaza.

No one is arguing that they are let off the hook - Israel has made its point - we get you - attack Israel and we will genocide you.

Its time to stop killing and starving civilians to get at 0.4% of the population who have no effective means to be of any threat to Israel.

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468597#Comment_123468597

Apologies, there are so many posts bashing Israel it's hard to keep track of it all.

Firstly, Hamas have not surrendered nor have they taken the option to leave. They could end this tomorrow by taking either option. In the absence of this, Israel continues to hunt them down. No more Hamas (PIJ, Popular resistance committee etc) no more casus belli. It's not a complex problem.

As for the aid, Hamas was stealing much of it previously, I support the US proposal to bring in aid and take over distribution.