Hamas strike on Israel

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467140#Comment_123467140

Another day. Another misguided, ill-informed & illogical blurb of nonsense.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467159#Comment_123467159

It's been obvious for weeks that starvation of men, women and children is the thing that could bring the entire rotten edifice down. They and their supporters could hide behind their numerous war crimes of bombing civilians and claim it was 'collateral damage', but deliberately starving innocent people is clearly a genocidal act by the terrorist state….the whole world can see it.

Gerry T

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467140#Comment_123467140

I think you'll look back on your stance in time and be horrified by your resolve, will you be fine with that.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467140#Comment_123467140

If Hamas is defeated, the likelihood of Palestine being "free from the river to the sea"—a vision that necessitates the destruction of the state of Israel, including it's people, actual genocide—becomes even more remote.

The destruction of Israel and the Genocide of its people has always been remote. That anyone thinks it is even possible is deluded. It is the "there is a permanent existential threat against Israel" argument that is easily debunked - it is the usual Hasbara.

Israel has advanced military capability, including, allegedly, nuclear weapons. It has robust missile defence systems.

The Likud Mantra of ""between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty" is currently being carried out with gusto. Israel is fully intent on seeing through its continuing Genocide to the bitter end. Words that were used 80 years ago are not out of place when describing the Israeli campaign - Israelis themselves have uttered such words in recent weeks. Concentration, extermination, cleansing.

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467140#Comment_123467140

If Hamas is defeated, the likelihood of Palestine being "free from the river to the sea"—a vision that necessitates the destruction of the state of Israel, including it's people, actual genocide

You're "actual genocide" commentary there - so you really, truly still don't believe that Israel is not committing genocide?

Whatever about the indiscriminate bombing campaign (that was more enough to convince me) - what do you think stopping all entry of food for months does to people? The old, the young, men, women, children, babies - all slowly dying of starvation, amongst the rubble of their homes, surrounded by their dead. Lives full of potential or experience getting snuffed, as you tell us this is justified. And Israel's politicians openly make calls to keep it going - river to the sea, which you again fail to address.

What is happening in Gaza at the minute is not a complex issue. All the complicated aspects - politics, Iran, terrorists, October 7th - doesn't explain this.

Tbh - that you would insinuate people being appalled at this devastation could only be either antisemetic or propagating terrorist propaganda shows how little humanity you have for the Palestinians and the suffering they are enduring. Their suffering doesn't even factor into your thoughts process.

I hope your children grow to think for themselves, that is our job as parents for sure. But it as important to teach your children basic humanity, and I find this lacking in all your posts.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467159#Comment_123467159

They are already dying. But this is just the beginning.

The aftermath of the Concentration Camps 80 years ago:

"Suffering did not end after liberation. Thousands of inmates were beyond help. Allied soldiers tried to provide medical relief. But despite their efforts, up to 30,000 liberated prisoners died within the first weeks."

BBC:

Last week, the Hamas-run health ministry reported 57 children had died from the effects of malnutrition over the past 11 weeks, and an assessment by the UN-backed Integrated Food Security Phase Classification (IPC) warned half a million people faced starvation.

Tom Fletcher, the UN's under-secretary-general for humanitarian affairs, now says five trucks of aid went into Gaza on Monday, but repeats that it's a "drop in the ocean". He says, although the aid lorries have crossed into Gaza, they are just on the other side of the border, and haven't even reached the communities yet. Fletcher says the supplies on the trucks are "baby food and nutrition".

He fears that 14,000 babies will die in the next 48 hours if the supplies don't reach them.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467140#Comment_123467140

Israel sent in the tanks in 2023. Remember the tanks knocking hospitals and killing civilians on the roads for months? They have had total control over Gaza for ages. Yet they keep dropping bombs. Cowardly IDF.

Why don't you give me the number of rockets and casualties so? By Hamas. I have already provided a figure for Hamas rockets and Israeli casualties (0) in the past year. Prove it wrong. It's not a war anymore. It's a one sided killing spree.

Have you a link to Israel? You seem incapable of unbiased analysis so I can only assume you have a link.

Israel want Gaza to be part of Israel. They want Gaza emptied of subhumans. Death will do. And I fear they will achieve that. Do you agree?

On the subject of children, there are mothers in Gaza having C sections without anaesthetic. The children are starving and malnourished. Children do not simply get over malnutrition - it impacts them for their entire life. If they survive. That's on Israel and it's blindfolded followers.

Only Palestinians.

2smiggy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467159#Comment_123467159

but that is music to the ears of some of the (anonymous) sickos on here. Bet they don't let their thoughts be known in everyday life. Wonder why that is

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467206#Comment_123467206

My God, the Palestinian propaganda machine really is in full motion. The fact that you guys are staring defeat in the face in Gaza has clearly shaken you to your very core. Did you really think you were going to bully Israel into just "sucking up" what happened on October 7th and leaving Hamas untouched?

I, for one, can’t wait to see the innocent people of Gaza freed from the shackles of Hamas, receiving the aid and support they need, and seeing the hostages released. Personally, I would love to see an international force policing Gaza going forward. I genuinely believe all of this is achievable in the very near future.

I’ve been critical of the international community—particularly those countries that "stand with Palestine", as you know—because in my view, they haven’t done nearly enough for the people of Gaza. It’s time for them to step up to the plate. Policing Gaza in the interim, until the people of Gaza decide their own future—and they, and they alone, should get to do that—not Bibi, not Ben Gvir, not Smotrich, and certainly not the anti-Israel and antisemitic brigades outside the region, would be a powerful statement.

If this does happen, I can’t wait to see the anti-Israel spin that gets put on it all. I have little doubt that the deep-seated hatred of Israel within the campaign—hatred directed at the only Jewish state in the world, which is what really defines the pro-Palestine movement now—along with the standard blatant disregard for facts, will get the creative juices flowing. I’m sure you'll come up with something absolutely fantastic.

sock.rocker*

Loonie tunes stuff.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467432#Comment_123467432

How do you explain Israeli and Jewish people who regard Netanyahu and his cabinet as war criminals? You speak as if the Israeli state, Zionism and Judaism are all one and the same thing (the very definition of a mono-ethnic and authoritarian, undemocratic state surely i.e. their Zionist voices and their voices alone are the only ones that matter).

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467432#Comment_123467432

Oh yawn. You really are all over the shop. Yes yes, we all thought Hamas would be left untouched and fully support them..such childlike logic.

Let me ask...why would Irish people be anti Jewish? I don't know a single Jewish person apart from Alan Shatter. I am atheist and cannot abide the hatred that man made organised religions inspire (including our own corrupt Roman cult). But why would we be anti Jewish? They have done zero to offend us in any way ever. There was widespread outrage and sympathy when Irish people learned about the Holocaust. What reason would we have for being anti Jewish? Just one. It boggles my mind. But a simplistic storyline for you to validate a slaughter.

Miniegg

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467474#Comment_123467474

Exactly this. The single most antisemetic crowd on boards are those who are justifying Israeli ethnic cleansing and claiming those antisemetic who oppose it.

They may hate Israel's "enemies" (which seems to include innocent children) as much as Israel's politicians and military - but that doesn't mean it isn't antisemitism to lump every Jew in the world as somehow complicit in this, and to use this "war" in the name of Judaism.

They think their hatred of Muslims absolves then of antisemetism. That is not the case, millions of Jews are appalled by this and they slur them all

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467432#Comment_123467432

And here you have it. We are all "Hamas supporters" in this posters extremist eyes. Millions being starved mean so little to this poster, he/she cannot fathom that it would mean something to anybody else outside of being a terrorist supporter.

Suckler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467432#Comment_123467432

My God indeed.

My God, the Palestinian propaganda machine really is in full motion.

Par for the course response when you've painted yourself into an illogical corner (again).

Anything against your view point is "propaganda"….

The fact that you guys are staring defeat in the face in Gaza has clearly shaken you to your very core.

Again a poor attempt to lash out instead of understanding the situation.

It's a childish level of understanding you have; boiled down to a simplistically idiotic assumption that if one is critical of Israel they must be pro-Hamas. It's baselessly disingenuous yet it's your only fall back.

Did you really think you were going to bully Israel into just "sucking up" what happened on October 7th and leaving Hamas untouched?

Has anyone said that? I'd really like if you'd for once back up some nonsense you write.

I, for one, can’t wait to see the innocent people of Gaza freed from the shackles of Hamas, receiving the aid and support they need, and seeing the hostages released.

A. That's a direct contradiction to what you post continuously and

B. I've highlighted this to you before a number of times; The hostage return should be the single priority right now; why then did your beloved Netanyahu renege on the deal that was working and would have seen the hostages returned in March?

It's not the first time you've been asked this, but you hide from the reality of it continuously.

Personally, I would love to see an international force policing Gaza going forward. I genuinely believe all of this is achievable in the very near future.

"Near Future"….bless your innocence. Israel have said they will be controlling Gaza. Almost like it worked out for them and their nominee for peace….

I’ve been critical of the international community—particularly those countries that "stand with Palestine", as you know—because in my view, they haven’t done nearly enough for the people of Gaza.

You've not been critical of the ones inflicting the horrors on Gaza though, that's the telling part, in fact you've wallowed in their "winning".

The International community want to go in right now with aid; who is stopping them?…….Israel.

It’s time for them to step up to the plate.

You're completely devoid of reality.

Policing Gaza in the interim, until the people of Gaza decide their own future—and they, and they alone, should get to do that—not Bibi, not Ben Gvir, not Smotrich, and certainly not the anti-Israel and antisemitic brigades outside the region, would be a powerful statement.

So who are these "antisemitic brigades"; you want the International community to 'step up' (despite the reality of what Israel are not permitting) and police the region; but no one that would be critical of Israel….how do you think that would work.

If this does happen, I can’t wait to see the anti-Israel spin that gets put on it all. I have little doubt that the deep-seated hatred of Israel within the campaign—hatred directed at the only Jewish state in the world, which is what really defines the pro-Palestine movement now—along with the standard blatant disregard for facts, will get the creative juices flowing. I’m sure you'll come up with something absolutely fantastic.

The absolute Irony. Your posts are continuously and deliberately devoid of fact or reality. You are the walking talking definition of propaganda.

Tony EH

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467432#Comment_123467432

Why do supporters of Israel always have to resort to lies.

Hellrazer

I said it a dozen times in this thread - It is possible to be Anti-Israel government / IDF but not antisemetic and honestly I hate being labelled as anti-semetic.

Its getting tiresome at this stage having to listen to bullshit from posters who believe that Israeli government and IDF can do no wrong and will do anything to defend the genocide of Palestinians, the starvation of kids etc.

The thread is just going around and around in circles - pro Israelis dropping random crap posts and then disappearing for days and refusing to engage in a discussion and so on.

I sometimes feel its done on purpose to wind other users up.

Cluedo Monopoly

The war aims of IDF and Netanyahu. Cowardly psychopaths.

'These children are skin and bone', says surgeon in Gaza

'These children are skin and bone', says surgeon in Gaza

A surgeon working in Gaza has said that children there are so malnourished that it is impacting on their ability to heal and recover from surgery.

Dr Victoria Rose said that the level of malnutrition is on a scale of what "we saw in the 80s during the Ethiopian famine".

"These children are skin and bone," she said.

The UK plastic surgeon is currently working in the Nasser hospital in southern Gaza.

Speaking on RTÉ's News at One, Dr Rose said the lack of proper nutrition means doctors are seeing overwhelming sepsis in wounds that would easily heal if the right equipment and foods were available.

The right vitamins and minerals are essential for recovery and preventing infection from taking hold, Dr Rose said.

"There is the needless and preventable deaths of thousands of children going on."

The surgeon said she is seeing blast injuries and the bulk of them are burns and limb injuries caused by explosions.

She said children "are suffering malnutrition and are stunted in their growth".

"Children that you would be six or seven turn out to be 11 or 12," she said.

Dr Rose said the situation is the worst she has ever seen.

Dr Victoria Rose said that the level of malnutrition is on a scale of what 'we saw in the 80s during the Ethiopian famine'

Dr Rose said the situation is very unique because there is no media access to Gaza and aid workers are afraid to speak out in case they are prevented from working in the territory.

It's a very unique situation to have a warzone where the media has been completely excluded so you are relying on aid workers to give you all this information and we all know very well that the more public we go with our stories, the less likely we are to get back into Gaza and do our jobs," she said.

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467733#Comment_123467733

They have to live with that though. I wouldn't be able to look myself in the mirror if I was so….no words.

Kermit.de.frog

Israeli ambassador to the UK being summoned to the UK foreign office.

Trade negotiations between Israel and the UK are being suspended and the UK is sanctioning Israeli settlers.

UK says if Israel continues to pursue it's military action then further measures will be announced.

Expect similar from France, Canada and other countries.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467816#Comment_123467816

Thanks for that - very powerful eye-witness testimony.

It is simply unthinkable that in the face of the truth, there are those who would still ignore it and continue to support the Israeli campaign and their Genocide. But in your follow up, when the images and reports start coming in, those who support Israel will have to look in that mirror and examine their conscience. Some will be mortified, others will simply not care. But that's on them.

Notable that she mentions the lack of media access. Clearly, the Israeli moves on banning the press has worked perfectly for them in hiding their War Crimes.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467899#Comment_123467899

Good news. It's very late in the day of course but is still to be welcomed.

dmcdona

Concrete action. At least the British were true to their word and their action has been swift.

David Lammy said the actions of Benjamin Netanyahu’s government had made the UK's steps today necessary. 

Addressing the people of Israel, he said “the conduct of the war in Gaza is damaging our relationship with your government.” 

The government, he said, would take “further action” if Israel pursues its latest military offensive in Gaza and fails to ensure “the unhindered provision of aid.” 

“Despite our efforts, this Israeli government's egregious actions and rhetoric have continued,” Mr Lammy said. 

“They are isolating Israel from its friends and partners around the world, undermining the interests of the Israeli people and damaging the image of the State of Israel in the eyes of the world.”

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cq8037dd3p9t?post=asset%3Ae5b764ad-fff9-4c57-970a-8c17f1cd0e84#post

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467899#Comment_123467899

I'm surprised at the speed of it. Clearly the horrors of Gaza are so stark that action had to be taken within 24 hours of the initial statement.

I'd imagine as the truth starts to come in in the next few days and weeks, it will be utterly horrific and the backlash unprecedented.

The people in the know are well aware of this, hence the reaction.

What lies ahead will make me sick to my stomach.

Others will still justify and defend it though.

That will make me sick to my stomach too.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467989#Comment_123467989

Unusually harsh words. That's the first a UK government has really gone after the Israelis and blamed them for a whole host of bad actions.

Looks like Netanyahu and his cabinet totally overplayed their hand. Assumed they had a free rein to do whatever they pleased and didn't realise that European leaders might turn on them quickly (the images of starving Gazan children have been the final straw).

sock.rocker*

An opposition Israeli MP says Israel is "becoming a pariah state", accusing the country of "killing babies as a hobby".

In an interview with Israeli public radio yesterday, the leader of Israel's Democrats party, Yair Golan, said: “A sane country doesn’t engage in fighting against civilians, doesn’t kill babies as a hobby and doesn’t set for itself the goals of expelling a population.”

@taratee Is this what antisemitism and Hamas propaganda looks like to you?

dmcdona

Also from the Beeb - condemnation within Israel is rising also. Netanyahu repeats that the IDF are the "most moral army in the world".

They were not fighting for the existence of Israel when they executed 15 medics, nor were they moral.

That he called Golan antisemitic is indicative of attack is the best form of defence. Because there is no defence - especially from a War Criminal.

In an interview with Israeli public radio yesterday, the leader of Israel's Democrats party, Yair Golan, said: “A sane country doesn’t engage in fighting against civilians, doesn’t kill babies as a hobby and doesn’t set for itself the goals of expelling a population.”

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has hit back at Golan's comments. In a post on X, he writes that Golan has hit a "new low", and accuses him of "trumpeting the most despicable antisemitic blood libels" against Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers.

"The IDF is the most moral army in the world, and our soldiers are fighting a battle for our very existence," he writes.

scottser

Mod Edit: Warned for breach of forum charter

sock.rocker*

https://old.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1kr09hr/are_israel_going_too_far/

https://old.reddit.com/r/Israel/comments/1kqidpe/uk_france_canada_consider_sanctions_on_israel/

The Israel subreddit offers a shocking view into the minds of Israelis and their supporters. Demented.

dmcdona

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123467194#Comment_123467194

There are plenty of posters here that fit into the same bracket.

Some will reflect and admit their mistake. Others will continue to be fine with it.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123468018#Comment_123468018

I'm not that surprised myself. Images of starving women and children is very reminiscent of Belsen in April 1945 : this was always going to be the final straw for the West (but the regime were too stupid or callous to realise it).