Pay scale

WWMRD

Looking for some advice as the unions and payroll dont seem to want to give a straight answer when I query it and I have done a few times!

Qualified with my PGDE in 2011. I had completed some subbing in my school in 2010 unqualified during my teaching practice so I was placed on the pre 2011 pay scale. I was told by payroll I start on point 1 not point 3 of the payscale as I was unqualified in 2010 when I subbed.

From looking at circulars it states that pre 2011 qualifying you start on point 3 or point 4 depending on your degree length. Mine would be 4.

So Im just asking is it right that I am on the pre 2011 scale with allowances but started 3 points behind everyone?

Currently on point 12 as I didnt do any jumping of points as that was post 2011 scale.

Its a mine field and I just want to understand it more I suppose. I just feel that I ended up in the biggest loser pile the year I qualified 😢

Thoughts?!

petejmk

It depends on how you were paid in 2010 - school or Dept. If it was paid by the Dept you would have had a payroll number. That payroll number would have stayed with you on qualification. I did something similar to you: Subbed in either 2009 or 2010 in primary (paid by Dept) and qualified in post primary in 2011. Started on point 3 of the scale. The payroll number on my first post primary payslip matched the one on the primary subbing slips.

WWMRD

Thanks for reply. I was payed by deot in 2010 when I subbed unqualified. Interesting....

rainbowtrout

I've never heard of anyone starting on point 4. Starting on Point 3 was the norm. A teacher who was unqualifed started on Point 1, a teacher with four years started on Point 3, and I can't remember off the top of my head what Point 2 was, but it was somewhere in between.

My reading of it is that when you became qualified and got a teaching job in 2011 you were put on Point 1 instead of Point 3, the argument by payroll being that's where you started.

That is bullshit. While you were subbing unqualified in 2010, you should have been paid on Point 1, which is correct. Once you qualified in 2011, any work from that point on should have been paid starting at Point 3.

My reading of it is assuming you got a job in September 2011 and have been in full employment since

Qualified service years: Point

2011-2012 3

2012 - 2013 4

2013 - 2014 5

2014 - 2015 6

2015 - 2016 7

2016 - 2017 8

2017 - 2018 9

2018 - 2019 10

2019 - 2020 11

2020 - 2021 12

2021 - 2022 13

2022 - 2023 14

2023 - 2024 15

If this is the case you will be going onto 15 this year (assuming you had an increment freeze somewhere in the middle, so your increment is not in September). Talk to your union, give them the details of your employment. If the above is correct, you are on the wrong payscale point and should get back paid for all of it.