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Can anyone point me to a decent tractor with loader for a beef farm. Around 120 animals.

Winter feeding from pitt and general summer work, topping and fert spreading.

What's a good all-rounder that's not a monster in the yard?

Budget around 30k can stretch for the right machine. (May need to up budget to 40k)

Not knowledgeable machinery wise so all help appreciated.

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https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/landini-5-115h/34528976

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https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-tl100a-c-w-loader/34176270

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https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/132-case-jxu/34667910

hopeso

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120906463#Comment_120906463

You’d probably need to almost double your budget……….

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No

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120906997#Comment_120906997

As you can see I don't have much knowledge on tractors.

And no prices on done deal doesn't help.

I know of a 2002 TL100 with a loader, fresh from the UK with only 950 hours, like new.

What would you expect to pay for that?

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120907078#Comment_120907078

Power Shuttle or Manual Shuttle?

Saw a 2011 Massey 5445 with a 945 loader, 400 odd hours for sale in Devon earlier this week for €45000 all in but excluding transport and VRT. I thought it was good value.

Grueller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120907274#Comment_120907274

400 or 4000? Who puts on 400 hours in 12 years?

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120907655#Comment_120907655

400 hours. I bought a 10 year old tractor myself one time with 800 hours

hopeso

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120907078#Comment_120907078

I honestly don't know... You should phone up about that New Holland in your link, just to get an idea of what price is being asked for such a tractor. I know that seller's price will be at the higher end of the price range, but in fairness he has very well presented quality tractors.

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120907709#Comment_120907709

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Tractor Is sold now anyway. Price was STG£32000 + VAT

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120907709#Comment_120907709

They say it's not good for the engine not to have been worked. Especially at the start. Not sure how much truth there is to that.

Could 400 hours have been 400 hours on a new engine?

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120907655#Comment_120907655

There's estates in the UK where they buy a new tractor and just leave it attached to one implement.

Could be 15 plus tractors on these estates.

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120911432#Comment_120911432

That's the story our local tractor importer used to spin years ago.

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120913587#Comment_120913587

I didn't know you met my uncle.😁

Was there an estate of thousands of acres in the Midlands with all the tractors lined up in a shed, Chicken houses and a helicopter on farm too?

Bass Reeves

OP will it be doing slurry as well.

If it feeding during the winter and light summer work it then depends on what features you want. The main one would be whether you need a power shuttle over a mechanical shuttle. Technically you do not need to clutch with a power shuttle however you need to when stopping which is often when feeding.

An 70-100HP fairly bog standard tractor will do you especially if you have pit as opposed to bales. Whatever you buy make sure it's a straight tractor. I like the McCormick's myself they generally are good value the Cx80/90/100 etch are all manual shuttle's while the 85/95/105/115 are power shuttle's.

Below is a McCormick 105. Hours are a bit high and it has been tarted up. It states vat margin on the add whether that means + vat I am unsure. If it's + vat it's a crazy price

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/mccormick-cx105-w-loader/34762170

At 25k you would expect if buying with no trade in a 5% discount. If it's straight and going well it's not bad value. If it's +vat it's expensive

selectamatic

A NH tl90a or tl100a would be hard bet.

If ya knew of anyone reasonably local that imports tractors they would be able to source you one from the Netherlands or France within budget.

Be no harm ringing around some of the dealers either and letting them know you're in the market.

Pat timmons in Carlow

Murphy's in Kilkenny

O'Brien in Sligo (bit dear usually)

All have NH tl's regularly enough

Case jxu a great alternative.

McHugh will be the far side of 40k for anything you'd be interested in I'd imagine

Johnstons in Longford often have trade ins for resale. (Masseys mainly but sometimes NH's and case)

Clarke in mayo has a few valtra's that might suit.

The Brogan brothers do have plenty of trade ins for sale too. (Landini visions maybe worth a look)

A McCormick cx would need to be sub 20k really to justify getting on one.

international xl

A deutz fahr k series tractor is the one you do a lot of work with them in comfort and they are really reliable

Grueller

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944364#Comment_120944364

Love them. I had an eye out for one a couple years back.

Waffletraktor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120911432#Comment_120911432

Used to be like that in the early 90's when there was more staff,smaller tractors,more livestock maybe. Was 2 dairy herds here at 1 time. Mostly these estates are contracted out now to local big time contract farmer as the current lord is thick as a plank and great, great x's 5 grandad's drug dealing to the chinese or plunderin india money is run out.

FintanMcluskey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944364#Comment_120944364

Are they that reliable?

Parts are incredibly expensive and hard to get for them, from what I've seen.

cjpm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944498#Comment_120944498

Plunderin’ India Money. 😂

Epic burn 😂😂

international xl

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120944532#Comment_120944532

i have a toyota and it recently got ac unit and the parking brake two and a half grand and if you look at any toyota those two parts where either scrap or sold so Deutz parts or not too bad we used to run Zetor forterra and a great trator pre 08 but there parts prices have double if not trippled as there sales have fallen through the floor so trying to make it up on parts Those deutz and the 150 are great tractors weakest part of them was the gasket on the side of the transmission and front axle suspension i think claas parts you have to remortgage for so very hard to any sort of econmical repair on those tractors who ever is there mechanic i would say ask as more then likely they have to fix it as every brakes from time to time.

Belongamick

I find the above to be a good guide as regards prices and you can filter bands, hours or prices etc.

Not 100% sure on the VAT and import situation from the UK but I believe it is not straight forward anymore. Purchasing in Northern Ireland is still reasonable I believe as long as the tractor is not imported from the UK.

In general, prices are steep for your typical 90-120hp all rounder.

Belongamick

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120957913#Comment_120957913

https://www.agriaffaires.co.uk/used/1/farm-tractor.html

blue5000

Clarkes in Cavan have a Valtra n121 for 20k +vat, high hours and needs tyres. Has loader brackets only.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/valtra-n121-hi-tech-mid-summer-special/34763625?campaign=6

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120958407#Comment_120958407

That is 24.6k Gross. You might manage with the front tyres for a year or so but back tyres would probably cost the bones of 2k.

It's in off farm condition so you would need someone to give it a right once over. There is probably a few jobs needed done on it. With the jobs done the tyres and getting a loader you are looking at 35k ish for it

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120958435#Comment_120958435

All Clarke’s seem to advertise is tired high houred yokes with bad tyres in most cases, and the prices are ridiculously high. I don’t know how anyone could be attracted to that tractor above.

White Clover

Another one for you @Bass Reeves , I came across a McCormick CX 105 with 1500 hours for sale in Essex while browsing UK classifieds over the weekend. I can’t remember who was selling it but a bit of Googling might find it if you were interested.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120958482#Comment_120958482

I came across it but cannot copy the URL. It is extensively priced at 25k sterling add vat and the exchange rate along with import duties and you would be well north of 35k by the time you had it in Ireland.

There was one in finavon in Scotland for 18750 sterling which again would be up on 27 K by the time you had it in Ireland it had 5.5k hours.

TBH it's unlikely I will change the tractor unless I came across a bargain

White Clover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120958567#Comment_120958567

ya big money alright. Be a better buy than that Valtra at Clarke’s.

funkey_monkey

@Bass Reeves - Would you not be better off with a MC? Depends on what you are doing with them off course, but it was a more highly regarded tractor than the CX.Bigger and heavier machine though so might not suit your needs.

There was a nice fresh X5 for sale in donegal dealer a while back.

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120959108#Comment_120959108

I think the MC's are not that plentiful. The CX95/105/115 etc all have strong rear lifts than the Cx 80/90/100/110, The MC looks like its a case 5100 series

funkey_monkey

This looks like value to me.

https://www.tractorsandplant.com/product/mccormick-x6-430-power-plus-tractor-st17456/

Silverdream

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120970681#Comment_120970681

MC's are getting rare alright. The 100,105 and 115 have the Perkins 1104C-44 engine which are practically bomb proof. But them tractors are getting dated now and like the MF390s the prices have gotten out of control and I don't see value in paying 30k for a 20 year old tractor