Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid 2023

metroburgers

Really like this new Prius, has anyone ordered already? info appreciated!

Denis Mahony have said they expect to launch in June/July with end of year/early 2024 orders.

 2 litre Petrol, 69km EV range with 13.6 kWh battery, also optional extra of solar roof which returns 8 km range per day. Called the Prius Prime in the States.

https://www.toyota.ie/models/coming-soon/prius-plugin

https://www.caranddriver.com/toyota/prius

zilog_jones

I would have been more interested in a full EV version, Toyota are really not keeping up at this point.

I have the first generation Prius Plug-in (2012-2015, was sold in the UK and Japan but not here), it suited my needs when I was buying second-hand in 2016 and BEVs within my budget weren't good enough (mainly 24 kWh Leaf). But I doubt I'd buy another PHEV in this day and age, where 300+km EVs are the norm.

Royale with Cheese

Any idea of a rough price in Ireland? I've a Model 3 I will be looking to get rid of at the end of the year, PHEV suits me perfectly so this looks interesting.

colm_mcm

I’m gonna throw my hat into the ring at €52k

ofcork

Why are toyota going down the plug in route.

colm_mcm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120346964#Comment_120346964

They already had a plug-in Prius, and a RAV4 plug-in option. They’ve also gone down the BEV route with the bz4x, and a slew of sausage and chips hybrids on pretty much every model. The PHEVs always commanded a premium, so if the Prius is being moved upmarket, it makes sense to have better technology (as in a decent sized battery) than the cheaper Toyotas that do everything a Prius used to do. It’s also a way of appealing to people who don’t want to go full BEV just yet.

ofcork

I see some survey found a lot of the plug in hybrids didnt get anywhere near their claimed range.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120348688#Comment_120348688

Its the same with full EV’s. It hasn’t been as bad since WLTP was introduced but still a lot of discrepancies. To be fair I don’t think petrol or diesel cars ever achieve their claimed economy either.

CiniO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120339828#Comment_120339828

It's not they are not keeping up, but rather they think that full EV's are not a way to go mainstream (not yet anyway).

And they might be actually right. On the European market, still vast majority of people are not thinking about EV's neither they want one.

Toyota is manufacturing and selling what people want to buy - simple as that.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120355700#Comment_120355700

This just isn’t true. Twice the amount of people are buying full EV’s compared to Plug in Hybrids.

And twice the amount of people are buying petrol/diesel compared to Plug in Hybrids.

Toyota don’t even sell petrol/diesel cars anymore except for the Aygo and some commercial jeeps

ozmo

Looks great :) I don't get all the hate for plug-ins :/ See it a lot in reviews.

If I can keep within 69km EV range most days - whats the issue? You would still have the ability to drive further then if you really have to..

Been waiting for Prius Prime to come to Ireland since I heard it announced in USA many years ago...

CiniO

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356027#Comment_120356027

I never said that they think that plug-in hybrid is a way to go. I was just replying to comment about toyota no keeping up (which I understood not offering enough EV's)

They didn't go into EV market for a long while, and plugin hybrids are just there as an option to fill that part of the market.

Regular hybrid is their main market, and they are pretty good at it. They don't seem to believe that EV will become only option soon, and they might be actually right about that.

Stats:

https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/02/20/sales-of-electric-cars-in-the-eu-broke-records-in-2022-which-country-in-europe-is-leading

Oscar_Madison

What real world MPG would you get out of this thing I wonder -Say on a 250km journey?

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120360103#Comment_120360103

best guess is 65 mpg, assuming 50 km on electric, 5.5l/100km = 22.7 km per litre.

Its all the sub 50 km trips on battery that bring the average mpg up, say you done another 250 km on battery over a week, then your up to 130 mpg, plus electricity.

I am on my 3rd phev , usually put 50 euro into the car every 2 months, plug in every night, sometimes during the day also.

Oscar_Madison

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120367237#Comment_120367237

Ok thanks for that- that’s what I was figuring. So with a PHEV, if doing very regular long mileage trips, you get reasonable MPG - if doing short trips you get great economy driving. I guess a lot of people living in rural areas would still favour an economical diesel over this car - after the economy it’s then down to maybe things like comfort, practicality, overall price of purchase, personal preference - I mean, it’s a car that would suit many for their “needs” but maybe not for their “wants”

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120367273#Comment_120367273

Its like I said a mix of both can really up the mpg, yeah I think its more of the devil you know, 20,30,40,50 km on battery sounds pretty useless until you start to add your trips up, I'm never ever going back to manual, compare an automatic diesel to a phev, you will find that they are much the same price.

just drive it, charge when ever you can, put fuel in, some times you will only get 2 weeks from a fill other times get 2 months or more,

Killer K

This is a smashing looking car from the exterior. Massive improvement in desirability. Looks very sporty. Not crazy about the interior (think it is the look of the steering and digital display that is putting me off a little but am sure i could live with it).

Toyota are the masters at making Hybrids and the RAV4 PHEV in EV mode is very impressive from what I have read.

zilog_jones

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120356061#Comment_120356061

They introduced the 2nd generation Prius Plug-in (Prius Prime in US) in mid 2017 in Ireland. It was like €37k with grants, had awful boot space, and could only seat four. Toyota Ireland dropped it a few years ago because no one was buying them.

ozmo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120424269#Comment_120424269

ta. I asked two big garages about this - around 2018 - and neither there had this info - said wasnt available in Ireland and didnt know when would get here :/

Nothing showed on any of the car sales sites back then either - so I just assumed it never made it yet and settled on a regular Prius.

kanuseeme

2019 is when you could buy the 5 seat phev version, in other countries at least, I see them at auction in japan.

metroburgers

Malone's in Drogheda said it would be in end of year unfortunately.

Some more specs and a price released from Toyota (4,600,000jpy = approx. 32k, which prob means 40k in Ireland ;)

And might well be the answer to Ireland's housing crisis.. "Creating a comfortable interior space without running the engine, this feature turns the car interior into an additional room that can be used for teleworking, rest, or any other activities."

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/38869594.html

Vehicle outline

2.0-liter Plug-in Hybrid System

• Based on the latest fifth-generation hybrid system, the new Prius PHEV combines a compact, high-capacity drive battery and high-output drive motor in Toyota's first use of its newly developed 2.0-liter Plug-in Hybrid System. This version of the Prius has outstanding dynamic performance with a system that produces a maximum 164 kW (223 PS) of power, which is about double that of the previous model*3, and achieves acceleration of 0-100 km/h in 6.7 seconds. It also offers great fuel efficiency of 26.0 km/L*1 with 19-inch tires and 30.1 km/L*1 with 17-inch tires*2.
• BEV driving distance can cover the majority of daily driving using just the electric power from the battery. Distance is 87 km*4 with 19-inch tires and 105 km*4 with 17-inch tires, with the 105 km representing an improvement of 75% compared to the previous model*3.
• The new Prius PHEV is equipped with Regeneration Boost, which is useful on mountain roads and in other situations that require regular switching between acceleration and braking. When set, this function provides stronger regenerative braking force than normal to deliver responsive driving performance while reducing the frequency of switching between the accelerator and brake pedals.

2.0-liter Plug-in Hybrid System

Power generation and supply

• As a feature unique to PHEV models, the new Prius PHEV comes with both a BEV external power supply mode, which uses electricity stored in the battery to provide an external power supply for outdoor, leisure, and other activities, and an HEV external power supply mode, which can use the car as a power supply during blackouts, disasters, and other emergencies. In the HEV external power supply mode, electricity is supplied from the battery only until the remaining power falls to a set level, after which the engine starts to supply electricity. With a full battery charge and full tank of gas, this system can provide enough electricity for about five days of use*5. It also comes with an external electric power supply attachment as standard so that external power supply is possible with the door windows closed to prevent rain and insects from getting in the car when in use. It is also equipped with a vehicle power connector that can be plugged into the charging inlet of the vehicle for use as an external power socket providing 1,500 W (100 VAC).

External electric power supply attachment

• The new Prius PHEV is equipped with a second-generation solar charging system*6 that efficiently converts solar energy into electricity, providing enough power to drive up to 1,250 km per year*7 in BEV mode. With a highly efficient solar panel installed into the vehicle roof, the battery can be charged in parking lots where there are no charging stations, or even during blackouts from disasters or other causes, as long as the sun is shining. Electric power generated from the solar panel is used to charge the drive battery while parked, with the system not only supplying electricity for driving but for air conditioning and other functions as well. The system also supplies the auxiliary battery system when driving to reduce drive battery consumption.

Solar panel

• The new Prius PHEV comes with a "My Room Mode" that lets users enjoy air conditioning and audio systems from the external power source by turning the power switch on during normal charging. Creating a comfortable interior space without running the engine, this feature turns the car interior into an additional room that can be used for teleworking, rest, or any other activities.

Chippy01

''Malone's in Drogheda said it would be in end of year unfortunately.

Some more specs and a price released from Toyota (4,600,000jpy = approx. 32k, which prob means 40k in Ireland ;)''

Ha, don't hold your breath for that price (40k) here. It'll probably be nearer to 56k

shabaranks

Don't think the Solar roof is coming to Europe. Do have a contract in Toyota main dealer and price is expected at mid to late €40's. If you compare US /Canada prices for the Prime (PHEV) version vs RAV4 Prime then €47k looks a good call. Some stock was expected mid year, will check if there's any direct news on deliveries.

rocks1981

So looking like 45,900 on toyota.ie not sure if theres more configuration options coming.

There haven't been enough PHEV options on the market, especially with decent range. This seem like a great option. 90% journeys with electric and no range/charging anxiety on long trips.

Chippy01

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120624477#Comment_120624477

That's 45,900 + delivery + paint option. Closer to 47,700 or so.

The 'configure' tab isn't working at the moment, so it's just a guess.

And that would be for the base model (if there was more than one option)

metroburgers

Configure tab is working now, looks like it'll be the best part of 50k anyhow (including delivery), inflated price here is a joke, same model starts $32,350 in the US (approx. €30k)

yellowmellow2241

Around €49K. Will be available to test drive from sometimes July. Civic ehev would be better choice at this price than Prius.

bazz26

They are both overpriced but the Civic styling is drab in comparison imo.

ozmo

Crazy pricing - I know apples and oranges - but 49K makes it far more expensive than a tesla (3) - i wouldnt have expected that.

Red Silurian

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120766984#Comment_120766984

And probably has the same range as M3 when you combine the petrol tank and battery on the Prius

It goes completely against the whole idea of PHEVs being a stop-gap on the way to EV adoption, they are meant to have better range (with the petrol engine) and cost less than full EVs

Mach Two

what kind of range has the 2023 Toyota Prius plug in hybrid got during the winter when keeping between the 20%-80% battery charge.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122903690#Comment_122903690

Toyota claim the following which would be based on using 100% of the battery; “Up to 86 km EV driving range from its 13.6 kWh battery allows fully electric driving on most daily journeys”. In winter this is probably no more than 50Km. Even less at motorway speeds. It’s such a small battery it won’t be practical to keep it between 20% - 80%.

Mach Two

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122903778#Comment_122903778

Still covers most of my journeys. In full hybrid what is consumption of petrol like. Can it be charged with a standard 3 pin plug?

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122904407#Comment_122904407

If you’re asking how much petrol it uses when the HV Battery is empty, it’s likely to be 45mpg - 50mpg at best in old money as it’s a 2.0L engine. It needs a Type 2 plug to charge but it’ll be slow as it only has a 3.3kW AC on board charger. You could use a “granny charger” short term using a 13A outdoor socket but I wouldn’t recommend it. These get hot and can melt domestic sockets. Best to get a proper Type 2 home charger installed professionally.

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122904573#Comment_122904573

These get hot and can melt domestic sockets. Best to get a proper Type 2 home charger installed professionally.

This is complete nonsense. They have heat sensing plugs and at only 2.3kW aren't much more than a 2kW fan heater.

Before I had my charger installed I charged my car with one of those. For months. Never a problem, never cut out, never tripped the MCB.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122904903#Comment_122904903

You were lucky and had the good sense to put in a proper EV charge point. Google it. It’s also been covered here many times already. Fine for short term or emergency use with good wiring.

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122904999#Comment_122904999

No, I wasn't lucky. Any issues with these that you can Google (and I've read a lot of them) come down to poor wiring, overloaded sockets or granny chargers plugged in to high usage circuits. Also you never find people telling stories about unproblematic use of GCs. It's only the ones where something's gone wrong and almost always because of poor prep.

Mine was plugged into an outside rated socket with MCB protection on the socket on a bedroom circuit protected by a 16A MCB with no or very low usage. I used the car supplied GC with a heat sensing plug (if you don't have this, get one).

I ran off that for months. No issues. At all. I'd have no problem recommending this to people who don't need a dedicated charger - like people with PHEVs with tiny batteries. Provided they do it properly.

joe1303l

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122905063#Comment_122905063

We’ll have to agree to differ on this one. I ended up with a part melted outdoor 13A socket using an OEM VW granny charger whilst waiting 2-3 months to get a Zappi installed.

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122905293#Comment_122905293

So either your socket was badly wired and/or the charger didn't have heat sensing. Did you never check to see if it was heating up?

joe1303l

Original outdoor socket had been supplied and fitted 8 years before as part of a house rewire by a RECI. 13A Plug on the granny charger was always lukewarm after 2-3 hrs use. Yes it had a thermal sensor. One of the pins holders obviously got too hot in the 13A socket.

You recommend what you like but better advice is to fit a a proper Type 2 charger.
I’ll get my coat.

CMOTDibbler

Wouldn't be the first time a RECI didn't properly wire a socket. Clearly that was the problem if the plug was only warm and had heat sensing. Slightly loose connection and it arced. Probably wouldn't show up under a light load, but sustained 2.3kW would hammer it.

Never assume with sockets, always check for loosening wires. I fitted my own outdoor socket and made sure every connection was locked tight. and then checked again.

Mach Two

I have a 6sq cable running to my garage. I was hoping to use this for charging my EV. Phev or full EV. What would be the maximum load I could put on it without risk of overheating? Surely if plugs and cables are heavy enough overheating would not be an issue.

kanuseeme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122903690#Comment_122903690

There is no need to keep it between those percentages, the battery has its own buffer, 0 to 100% displayed is really 12.5% to 87.5%,

Should do 50 mpg on petrol only, 70 km on electric should be easy enough, one review I seen had 15kwh per 100km.

About 5.5 hours for a full charge on a granny charger, 3 hours for a 3.7 or 7 kwh charger, for which there is a grant of 300 euro, sooner or later there will be no grant.

I have a 3.7 kwh granny charger, works fine, over the years I have used granny chargers on extensions, depends on quality more than anything, cheap tends to melt, quality stands the test of time, if your going the granny charger route, support it, don't let it hang from the socket by the plug, leave it plugged in, only unplug for inspection.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122903690#Comment_122903690

Why on earth would you keep it between 20 and 80? Just drive the fecking thing and don’t be worrying about that

CMOTDibbler

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122906737#Comment_122906737

Depends on what other loads are running on that cable. Should be fine if it's only light loads. Your electrician should be able to tell you for sure. Main thing is that it's properly protected at the consumer unit by the appropriate breaker and your earthing is good.

Mach Two

What is the cost of doing the timing belt on the Toyota Prius PHEV.

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122915694#Comment_122915694

Since when does the Prius use a timing belt?

Mach Two

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122915716#Comment_122915716

Timing chain?

User1998

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122915724#Comment_122915724

Well thats what they’ve always used. Unless they changed it for the new model but I doubt it.