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Irish now drink below EU average alcohol consumption

  • 23-06-2023 4:38pm
    Registered Users Posts: 5,502 ✭✭✭bb1234567

    I was interested to see that Irish people began drinking 15% less on average between 2018 and 2021. I'd imagine it dropped even further since tbh. Quite a spectacular drop, it's also below the EU average annual intake of 9.8litres of pure alcohol now. Although, this is still a fair bit to drink. 9.8 litres of pure alcohol is around 100 bottles of wine in alcohol content, nearly two a week. Not to mention the teetotalers bring down this average, so those who drink alcohol consume more than that figure by about 20%. Despite Irish people now drinking less than European peers I imagine it'll be a while yet before we shake the image of being the heaviest drinkers among west europeans.,is%209.8%20litres%20per%20adult.

    I must say it was noticeable to me when I went back to Dublin this summer and at christmas. City centre nightlife lately is much more tame, you see very few people legless drunk like you would have often in town not too long ago. Pubs and bars are also just quieter in general. And stats indicate it's not just being replaced with home drinking.Are you noticing more people going dry of late?



  • Registered Users Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭Strumms

    One thing that might be a catalyst to less drinking is the consumer being fed up of being ripped off by the drinks industry. Publicans and drinks manufacturers.

    being charged 6.50 euros plus for a pint of liquid in some places …. No thanks…it’s just got too much

    Guts of 40 euros for 6 drinks

    30 euros for taxis

    10-15 euros for some food..

    A pretty basic night out, transport, food, drinks….. 85 euros each..

    a lot of people because of covid and getting used to staying in are inviting people over, getting a takeaway… playing a bit of PS5, Spotify, watch Netflix and not get fleeced…

    In Madrid you’ll get a pint or large beer still for about 3.50 in a nice bar. About 70% cheaper than here.

  • Registered Users Posts: 220 ✭✭put_the_kettle_on

    We've all but given up drinking. After being used to UK prices it feels prohibitively expensive here.

  • Registered Users Posts: 5,167 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio

    Same, COVID put me off the weekly ritual of heading to the pub. Same with my friends.

  • Registered Users Posts: 601 ✭✭✭orourkeda1

    I'm going to the pub to celebrate.

  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,184 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop

    There is also the fact that you can get a yoke for a tenner to keep you dancing 'til the wee hours. Younger people are drinking less than the generation before them, but some of them are substituting alcohol for other mind altering substances.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭PommieBast

    I'm guessing that there's quite a few lockdown-era Shebeens still going which might well skew the figures..

  • Registered Users Posts: 29,404 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78

    ....only to be overtaken by a rapid rise in the consumption of coke!

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,632 ✭✭✭

    How are they coming up with these numbers

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,718 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha

    I've gone teetotal since Covid. Couldn't be happier. Alcohol is such a waste of money. In Ireland, pubs have had this coming for a long time given their racketeering.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,623 ✭✭✭✭osarusan

    There's a good few caveats to those figures:

    "However, revenue data do not account for home-brewed alcohol or alcohol consumed in Ireland that may have been bought outside the Republic of Ireland, including cross-border alcohol sales. Per capita consumption figures also do not account for alcohol consumed by Irish people while abroad and alcohol consumed by visitors to Ireland is not subtracted from Revenue figures. Per capita consumption figures may therefore be likely to be an underestimation of the true amount of alcohol consumed by Irish adults.  

    Per capita consumption also includes those who abstain from alcohol, as this rate is based on all adults aged 15 years+ in Ireland. Therefore, when abstainers are excluded from survey data, alcohol consumption among those who have consumed alcohol in the past year is likely to increase. For instance, most recent figures available from 2016 for drinkers only per capita consumption in Ireland are 14.5 litres. "

    I wouldn't agree that these caveats mean acutal consumption is likely to be under-represented. 10 million tourists a year visit ireland, and many of them sink many a pint while they're in the country, so thaose figures would need to be removed for a more accurate figure.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭Count Dracula

    It has become prohibitive and too expensive to enjoy.

    2 litres of lager cost me 12 euro in an off licence

    worse than communism.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,079 ✭✭✭JohnnyChimpo

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    This is nonsense.

    I worked nightclub security in 2003 and people were bemoaning the massive consumption of coke. 2013 when the recession was coming to an end people bemoaned the massive consumption of coke. 2023 when coming out of a pandemic people bemoaning the massive consumption of coke.

    Coke has been a huge issue since the 80s and, in particular, the rampant celtic tiger years. It's not a new phenomenon

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    One would imagine the amount of alcohol sold in shops and pubs.

  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]

    I worked in breweries and know many a home brewer, it's a rounding error in terms of national consumption.

    Cross border sales are a thing but, outside of border counties would not be massive again, in the grand scheme of things.

    Tourists are present in every country so every EU country presents their data too

  • Registered Users Posts: 2,747 ✭✭✭PommieBast

    Looking at who compiled the "unrecorded" stats I would attach zero credibility to them. There is a distinct anti-alcohol feel that seems more political than health related.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,664 ✭✭✭policarp

    Few extra factors,

    No smoking and no driving makes going out

    for a drink less appealing.

  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,595 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla

    I think as you get older you realize that feeling like **** for a whole day after even moderate drinking is not worth it. I'd like to see a graph of alcohol consumption conversely with cocaine consumption here. I feel that one would sharply dip while the other sharply rises.

  • Registered Users Posts: 145 ✭✭Beefcake82

    Never drank much, but no drink at all for last 3 years due to health issues. Most friends gave up drinking due to costs of everything going up, having kids, mortgage etc

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    Again, coke was absolutely rampant in the noughties and 10 years ago.

    It's not the substitute people are claiming it is

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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,407 ✭✭✭✭Strumms

    A pint of liquid is actually fûck all.

    pour a pint of water from a pint glass into a measuring jug and you appreciate it.

    a nice tall ‘ tapered’ pint glass it looks big which is the desired effect. It’s not. 6/7 average sized mouthfuls generally..

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 8,500 CMod ✭✭✭✭Sierra Oscar

    People are way more aware of the health impacts of alcohol. I'm not surprised.

  • Registered Users Posts: 381 ✭✭bluedex

    The zero alcohol fun police will be happy, in one way, but disappointed in another perverse way, as the stick they beat everyone with is crumbling.

    Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

  • Registered Users Posts: 69 ✭✭Baasterd

    "Irish" or people that live in Ireland?

    I expect one of the reasons is that we now have more people living in the country that come from a culture that does not drink, although tbf maybe the Nigerians even that out.

  • Registered Users Posts: 28,476 ✭✭✭✭murpho999

    Sorry not buying this, drink driving has been anti social since the 80s/90s and would not now turn people off going for a drink. As for smoking, ban in place 19 years, has become the norm and fewer people smoke now than ever before and it would not be the reason people go to the pub less.

    Main reason is price and changing social habits with less people drinking, especially younger generation and more socialising in the home.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,182 ✭✭✭Quitelife

    Ireland is falling in the Alcohol consumption table but heading to the top of the tables for taking drugs like Cocaine .

    One time people in towns and villages in Ireland used go to their local pub and have a chat over a few pints with their neighbours , now they ring their local drug dealer and snort cocaine and try and figure out how they pay for their next deal before the drug dealers beat the crap out of them or burn their parents house down. Cocaine is making millionaires out of traveller gangs all over rural Ireland.

  • Registered Users Posts: 535 ✭✭✭Scipri0

    They brought this in for "health reasons" I wonder will they now remove the sugar tax for health reasons as the sugar in most soda drinks is now replaced with aspartame.

    Exclusive: WHO's cancer research agency to say aspartame sweetener a possible carcinogen -sources

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Potential-Monke

    So they've changed the classification of aspartame from "not classifiable",the 4th category, to "Possibly carcinogenic", the 3rd category, behind "Probably carcinogenic" and "Carcinogenic". For clarity, "possibly" covers "this means there is either limited evidence they can cause cancer in humans, sufficient evidence in animals, or strong evidence about the characteristics." I'm assuming it's based on the last point, because there's no evidence to the first 2. Also "The levels are based on the strength of the evidence, rather than how dangerous a substance is."

    It's now in the same category as the radiation from your mobile phone. So there we have it, aspartame causes just as much cancer as mobile phones. I feel grand though and I drink about 2 litres of the stuff every day for the last... 10ish years. On my mobile a lot more often though. Time to start creating my lawsuit against Coca-Cola and Samsung. And throw Three in there for providing me with the phone, and Dunnes/Tesco/et al for providing the discounted diet coke.

    Good re the drinking though. People starting to realise there's life outside the glass and other things to do. It's a victim of our evolution as a country, up until the last few decades there was nothing to do here other than drink, hike, play sport or work. That's changing. Going for a few pints also used to be a reward imo, but because it can be done nearly anywhere at anytime, it has lost it's allure. Not to mention my body is delighted with me for it, albeit probably not a fan of the amount of diet coke I drink. Still think I'm the healthiest I've ever been though.

  • Registered Users Posts: 33,397 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock

    Drinking less has been a trend for a while now - the myth was dispelled comprehensively during the MUP debate.

    I think, since we're a bit more health-aware in the last decade or two.

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,503 ✭✭✭✭fits

    Well I've developed a nice little unpredictable allergy to alcohol that sometimes has me rolling around the floor of my bathroom with stomach cramps after whatever it is that sets it off. Fine if I stick to one or two but just not worth it to have any more now.