What is a locksmith?

mondeoman72

Was looking at an issue today and am unclear of something. Do you need a licence to cut keys??

According to the private security authority, a lockmith needs a licence and they quote this

https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2016/si/343/made/en/print

But is someone that cuts keys and fixes car electronics a locksmith?

https://www.psa-gov.ie/consumer-information-locksmiths/

Thanks in advance

Mm

Lenar3556

It’s the type of activity being engaged in rather than ‘locksmith’ - My reading of it would be;

Duplicating standard keys as would be commonly undertaken in a hardware shop - Licence not required.

Duplicating more specialised high security coded keys, or master key suites. - Licence required.

Fixes car electronics - Licence not required

Cuts / Programs Car keys / immobiliser work - Licence required - although I would suspect there are many garages undertaking this kind of work who would not hold such a licence.

Peregrinus

"Locksmith" is defined in the Private Security (Licensing and Qualifications) (Locksmiths) Regulations 2016 reg. 3.

"Locksmith” means a person who provides a security service installing, opening, maintaining, repairing or servicing security equipment that,

(a) consists of mechanical, electronic or other locking devices designed, constructed or adapted to prevent unauthorised access to or within premises where such equipment is situated or

(b) consists of mechanical, electronic or other locking devices designed, constructed or adapted to prevent unauthorised access to motor vehicles

and includes a person who in connection with the provision of the services referred to in paragraph (a) or (b),

(i) originates, duplicates or provides by copy or code restricted keys, safe keys or motor vehicle transponder keys,

(ii) gives advice relating to the installation of such equipment or advice relating to the protection of such devices from damage or interference.

So, copying ordinary keys is not, in itself, locksmithing, but there are certain classes of keys, the copying of which is locksmithing, and a licence is required.

These include "restricted keys", a term which is no doubt defined or explained somewhere else in the private security legislation. Tracking down that definition is left as an exercise for the student.

Lenar3556

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120735941#Comment_120735941

The legislation applies to persons carrying out this type of work in the course of a business, trade or profession.

Lock work, intruder alarm, cctv camera installation etc. being carried on at your own premises, or that of a friend, colleague, local club etc. wouldn’t constitute an offence as long as you weren’t being paid to to it or receiving any other indirect benefit.

Hobby lock pick activities are fine. Not sure about messing with the clamp - it would probably have been better to get whoever put it on to remove it.

Claw Hammer

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120736474#Comment_120736474

I thought she was a teacher. Huge pension and probably still has her communion money.

hayrabit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120735941#Comment_120735941

Did I commit an offence ?

deffo !

and if ya weren't wearing hi-vis , steeltoe caps and snickers pants, then that's added to ye tariffe 😃

not a clue really - seems there's very little nowadays that isn't subject to pesky regulations 😏