New BMW 5 series g60 2024

Theboinkmaster

i5 being announced live on youtube right now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3CaRtBI6MA

Liking the exterior so far but the inside doesn't look good - way too much touch screen and not enough physical buttons.

Larbre34

She looks really well. And she must, as 5-Series / i5 remains the volume backbone of the BMW range and funds investment into the other models and future tech.

I have used the new touch screen iDrive in the i4, iX, iX1 and i7 and while I understand anxiety about physical buttons being gone, iDrive is so responsive, so intuitive and the UX so pleasant, I wouldn't have any concerns about people making the transition. Between voice and gesture control and app-based pre-conditioning options, it is a very nice system to use. Besides, once your profile preferences are set, you will rarely change them.

It'll be sad to see the demise of a 520d, but I'm optimistic the G60 530e will see out the ICE 5-Series in great style and customer satisfaction.

Get your money down folks, 5-er G60 is going to be hot property.

Theboinkmaster

Lots of details here:

https://g60.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2019783

Larbre34

Some official images from BMW

Stallingrad

https://youtu.be/vtDC98HlWSg

Good to see they did not go crazy with the styling like the 7 and iX. It looks like a 5 should.

kdevitt

Thats a hideous looking clunky mess of a design - the state of that rear quarter.

Theboinkmaster

the m sport front grill with black plastic sensor in the middle - what were they thinking.

Fitz II

It looks like a Skoda Octavia.....a shambles.

kdevitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120635455#Comment_120635455

Yeah thats about right - genuinely concerned for the welfare of anyone who thinks this thing is a good piece of design

LIGHTNING

boy what a fussy looking design, real mess from certain angles. BMW have lost the plot over the last 5 years or so.

Vicxas

Looks like someone took a magnet to the design model and thought it looked good....

bazz26

I honestly don't know what to make of that.

According to completecar.ie the entry level 520i will cost you 70k and the entry level i5 will cost you 90k.

lol.

Oafley Jones

The above m design photo looks like someone has built a 00s desktop into the front if it. Which part is the CDROM tray.

Stallingrad

I'm not sure why people are so surprised that BMW are churning out challenging designs. They are not designing for today and it's accepted norms, they're designing for 5 to 8 years time. They have good form with this going all the way back to the polarising E60, widely derided at first and now acknowledged as quite a visionary piece of design.

Cars these days are increasingly sold on interior/drivetrain tech rather than exterior styling, just look at Mercedes with their hyper screen yet cookie-cutter jelly blob styling. While the purists who hark back to the E39 might not like this, there is a strong chance that in five years time it will still look very fresh, and all the people who clutching their pearls today might need to eat some humble pie.

bazz26

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120638173#Comment_120638173

I wouldn't agree entirely with that. While the E60 stirred alot of controversy at launch BMW did revert back to a more mainstream design with the F10 so they must have listened to what was said. This G60 styling is nowhere near as left field or departed as the E60 was to be honest but it's unremarkable from certain angles imo but maybe that's by design. Will it age well in 5 to 8 years time, I don't know as fashion and tastes change very quickly. It's ok to like them or not like them.

kdevitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120638173#Comment_120638173

Haha - this is trotted out with every release of an ugly BMW. Anyway the E60 is every bit as badly designed today as it was on release, the M sport kit improves it slightly, but theres nothing handsome about it, and its interior is a low point for BMW. Even BMW were embarrassed about it - the F10 abandoned virtually every single design element.

Either way, I don't think theres much pearl clutching going on - its hardly life or death, simply won't buy one.

Fitz II

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120638173#Comment_120638173

E60 in non m5 guise still looks like rubbish. I know there is this idea that they need to subvert expectations and be visionary, buts lets face it they are churning out munters which are both boring and weird at the same time. They are not futuristic, in a way they are retro. The rear end proportions are all off, the wheel size to height are wrong,, the fronts are blunt, overly vented and ignorant. In 5 -8 years time the people who buy them new will have long since sold them and there will be a new model, so if BMW are designing to please second hand buyers then thats an interesting strategy ( lets be honest they are appealing to the chineese market that like that big ignorant overstyled look). The FX and G3x series were handsome cars and widely regarded as so on launch, so this is a departure.

I am not surprised (the 4 series prepared everybody for BMW's new design strategy with the associated poor sales) I am disappointed. BMW know how to make a good looking car. And guess what most new car buyers dont want to be challenged, they dont want to be quirky,, they just want their premium car to look good, and not have people making confused faces at it when they pass. They dont want to grow to like the look of their car. Look with body positivity these days we are being told what is aesthetic and shamed for stating our natural instincts, and while you may pretend that is a real thing,, we all know its not. Lets hope the new 5 series has a cracking personality.

Audi, The Koreans, Porsche, Seat, Alfa, Ford, Volvo and most others are putting out good looking cars its not that hard. BMW's dont drive like they used to either...but that is another story.

edit kdevitt beat me to nearly every point...just more succinct.

Stallingrad

Not an easy time to be a car designer that is for sure. One thing I really don't like about the new design is the messy, tacked on Hofmeister kink, not sure what the thinking is there. Would be nice to see them revert to a simpler approach.

Larbre34

G60 is a fine design, nicely proportioned and with less dumb grill elements.

What we are seeing now is i5 with every extreme contrast and M-Sport Plus Shadowline option specified, the real judgement comes when it is shown in 520i SE spec, the volume seller for reps and rentals and taxis etc.

If G60 looks half as good as G30 when the basic model emerges, they'll be able to celebrate.

(540i SE drive shown)

Stallingrad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120638812#Comment_120638812

Not sure I would agree with that. E60 had classic BMW proportions, shoulderline, glasshouse, overhangs, etc. Sure the headlights were an acquired taste and the interior was terrible, but see them on the roads today, particularly M sport and they look sharp for a 20 year old design in a way that most cars of that generation don't.

kdevitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120638901#Comment_120638901

I have never looked at an E60 at any stage and thought it looked sharp - and its gotten worse with age imo.

Anyway, BMW have (Van Hooydonk in particular) have been crystal clear that they're trying to appeal to the Asian / Chinese market - who demand that premium cars help them show off their wealth - hence we're being hit up with massive chrome grilles and bizarrely odd designs. Its probably part of the reason why BMW have moved to provide shadowline grilles - which they never did before. Always find it funny that no one questions why they'd choose to hide one of their most major design cues.

The design by committee barb seems to have some legs too - if you look at Frank Stevensons critique of the new 2er coupe, it shows the original design sketches which looked excellent - but by the time it got through the production cycle, someone had decided to put weird rear lights on it and added about 2 feet to the length of the bonnet.

As as Fitz said above, these are not cars that should grow on you, they should be handsome from day one. From a personal point of view, cars rarely grow on me - I tend to like them and then go off them rapidly - like the E92. I was close to buying a brand new 335i at one stage, and now I'm not a fan at all (although I'd take one over the current 3er / 4er). So, 5er this won't be gracing my driveway at any stage.

R.O.R

I got the retailer launch PDF through last night, so was scanning though it this morning. If you don't concentrate on the front or rear design elements, it looks like a 5 Series. Evolution of the G30 rather than an revolution in my opinion.

The prices did make me choke, but that's the way things are going.

520i M-Sport from €69,850

i5 eDrive40 M-Sport from €90,110

i5 M60 from €119,210

It's up to build on the configurator this morning, possibly there yesterday.

Orders can't be placed in the system yet. Production starts 1st July for both ICE and BEV. Market Launch 21st October. PHEV Production starts 1st November.

I also think the E60 is a classic, and an M-Sport E60 still turns my head - I put my own hard earned in to one in 2011 that served me well for many years.

Stallingrad

The problem is cars that look handsome on day one usually do so because people are familiar with the design language being used. It feels comfortable. What looks good on day one may not age well. This is the problem currently facing car designers, particularly ones like the Germans with a design heritage (unlike let's say the Koreans who can be a lot more brave), in a rapidly changing market to try and create something with a strong identity. And that means it might not sit well with people at first. The emerging car markets in the east obviously are playing a big hand in what European manufacturers are doing as you say.

It's interesting to see Mercedes approach to this versus BMWs. While not pretty, I think BMW's designs are going to look much more interesting in a few years then Mercedes approach which already looks bland to my eyes. As for Audi they are where BMW a few years ago, in desperate need of a refresh.

Anyway there is no right or wrong to this, it's all purely subjective but makes for an interesting discussion.

Vicxas

No diesel model on the website yet, wonder if the irish market is getting one

bazz26

No diesel being sold here. 530e from early next year.

Wailin

Like all new BMW's, it's definitely polarising. Looks awful in the photos above but I think it looks better in this first look video.

https://youtu.be/nh0DhrTn7W0

Larbre34

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120639407#Comment_120639407

Not quite. The 520d is not to be sold here but a 540d MHEV version will be launched in about a year and its fate in Ireland is not yet decided.

bazz26

So what I said then is true. If they are not selling the cheapest diesel variant here then why would they bother selling the most expensive diesel variant here? The 530e has replaced the 520d as the most popular variant in Ireland for a few years now.

Padre_Pio

I think people need to readjust their expectations.

Half of BMW's sales are in China. They're not designing cars for the Western market anymore.

Casati

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120639162#Comment_120639162

The pricing is nuts. I had believed that pre tax prices of cars across EU countries were harmonised but obviously not. i5 M60 is €83,613 in Germany and €90,677 here - the i5 M40 is €61,595 in Germany, €68,542 here - so basically we are 10% dearer

Its easy say 'everything is dear now' but I can't see the average 5 series buyer landing out €90k when four years ago they were paying not much over €50k. The 520i will be a good seller but its weird that there is no diesel, in this category diesel makes sense for a lot of buyers

UhOh

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120641442#Comment_120641442

Not in my neck of the woods. Was in the local dealership today & asked about this. Was told they haven’t sold many of the 530e.

ofcork

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120644468#Comment_120644468

All car pricing is nuts saw a new C class AMG line 2 litre diesel online recently for 75k so less than that for a 5 series doesnt seem that bad!

Theboinkmaster

They have g60 now in frank keane in Dublin. I liked the exterior though too much black plastic. I’d get it in black anyway so not a deal breaker.

really liked interior and vaganza upholstery was really nice. One thing that I really didn’t like was the centre armrest and door rest were plastic not cushioned leather like in my f10 - really nasty Bmw cost cutting.

not sure how good the harman kardon sound is - by all accounts it’s a downgrade on the system form the f10 with less speakers, output etc.

all that said it’ll probably be my next car just need to see what options they expand to next year.

carsfan2

Any word on pricing for the 30e version?

that will be the main seller here I’m guessing. Would need to be in the 70k region.

90k+ for the i5 is a lot for a 5 series. Too much.

Theboinkmaster

Well the 520I starts at €70k so 530e will be €80k minimum

Theboinkmaster

Another cost cutting annoyance was front and rear cup holders not being covered up

NSAman

Bring back Chris Bangle and Frank Stephenson, this is a design mess.

it looks cheap and nasty. I absolutely hate the design of new BMW’s. The new 7 looks like a Hollywood z-lister with bad dental work smiling at you. The XM has to be ugliest car on the road. Having driven most of them , the driving experience is far superior to say Mercedes. The looks? NO!!!

Pricing of ALL cars is just taking the p**s at this stage. Was looking at changing my own car shortly, yes you now have to order as no spare capacity on forecourt. 50% dearer than the last version. It’s a mad world out there in car land.

bazz26

I think the G60 will be a rare enough model on Irish shores unless someone else is paying for it or you can offset tax benefits against it. Previously a lot of these type cars came from the UK second hand because they suffered huge depreciation in their early years which made them good value over here. Now that the UK used car market is practically cut off I don't think they will be a common sight here going forward.

Also 70k starting price for the timid 520i now and then an extra 20k EV tax if you want the i5 version, lol. If the 520i is starting at 70k then I'd imagine the PHEV version will probably be priced somewhere in the middle between that and the i5 so 80k would be my guess. Of course that is before you look at the options list and lets face it you will have to look at the options list to get a decent spec car.

The older models were still much cheaper here when they were new so even taking UK imports out of the equation I think BMW will struggle to replicate previous sales. Also has the new E Class been launched here, I haven't actually seen one on the road here yet, again another overpriced car I think will be a rare sight. Even a fairly new registered A6 is a rare sight these days. The arse has fallen out of this segment here these days with all the ridiculous price hikes and messing around with VRT.

Theboinkmaster

They’ve also removed the msport silver door sills. Maybe I’m getting old and cranky but I find that infuriating - increasing the costs but cheapening the car

carsfan2

I would expect that they will be able to bring in the 530e at a similar price or lower than 520i

the vrt will be a lot lower due to its co2 emissions being smaller.

I haven’t seen one yet in the metal yet but in videos certain areas do look like cost cutting has taken place.

ELM327

Sat in the i5 M60 at the wexford car show today, beautiful car inside and out. The all blacked out look really suits the car and the interior is extremely well put togeter. You'd know it was a 5 series.

I've a test drive booked for a few weeks time, am strongly considering the m60.

Water2626262

I think the G30 is starting to show its age. I was going to buy one recently and while it’s a word apart from an f30 in terms of quality and finish inside it still had the same dash layout as the f30 which came out in 2011. Ended up with a G20 which was not on my radar at all. Interior feels way more modern. Granted seats in the g30 probably more comfortable and the LCI with the new idrive does improve it a good bit. Have to say spec was also a driver for me. I was under pressure to change and it was very difficult during those weeks to find a g30 with even folding mirrors, reverse camera, Harmon kardon etc. G20’s seem to have all the basic modern gadgets by default.

It definitely takes a few years for me to like a new BMW (f10 and g30 were an exception at the time) so I’ll give it a while before I judge this one. Didn’t like my current car (g20) until I bought one this year.

Theboinkmaster

So sat in another g60 this morning in Frank Keane naas road - 520i m sport pro in grey and white veganza interior. Looked great in dark colour, hides the nasty black plastic better.

To correct what i said about centre console and side armrest - they are actually same upholstery as seats it's just the cushioning they've removed. So they are slightly cushioned but not as much as the f10. Doesn't feel as comfortable or as luxury as f10 or say current 4 series.

mikeecho

Impressive, but I'll stick to my ice for a few more years.

EVs are definitely improving.

Can't wait until NorthVolt release the next few generations of batteries, then we'll see something amazing, battery wise.