Future Trek series

Bobtheman

What exactly is going on?

I know SNW is going to season 2 but I'm hearing that section 31 is to be a short series?

Next I hear that they are making Star fleet academy?

What direction are we going?

Please no more woke series!

Stark

Please no more use of the word "woke". Please please please.

Even just say what you really feel. There are too many wimmin, gays and blacks on the TV these days for your liking.

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120449788#Comment_120449788

Predictable and simplistic

Bobtheman

When politics gets in the way of good story telling we are in trouble

Discovery went out of its way tick PC boxes

ST never did this in the past.

niallpatrick

I'd like the Q-continuum to be more involved although they can't exactly write in what or who the Q are. Obviously the Q know but mortals no matter how advanced could never understand it (I think?) All we do know is from previous ST is they're a singular entity or a collective and if one wants to leave the Q and live or die as a mortal it causes fractures within the Q. They aren't Gods or the great creator but they must have a leader, how else could they have a defined set of rules and structure?

flazio

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120449830#Comment_120449830

• ST never did in the past

Are you joking me? We have had race stupidty as early as TOS, we've had non binary characters as early as Season 2 of TNG, Gene Rodenberry was one of the earliest Social Justice Warriors working in television.

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120456036#Comment_120456036

I don't agree. ST had different types of characters but the storylines were not as right on as today

The politics is getting in the way now.

Plus a lot of gender politics are bullshit in my opinion

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120449830#Comment_120449830

Thats actually not true. Kirk and Uhura's kiss in 1968 was the first ever interracial kiss on TV. Had Boards been invented back then, you'd have been on here giving out about the politics and wokeism getting in the way of good story telling.

eadrom

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120449830#Comment_120449830

True: The writing in modern Star Trek has been (mostly?) poor.

True: Star Trek regularly addresses social and political issues in it's stories, characters, and world building.

It sounds like you're saying that these two things are related to each other, when they're not. The second point has always been true of Star Trek and hasn't usually gotten in the way of anything. So what's changed is the writing.

Complaining that there's causation here does sound a lot like complaining about the black women, the Japanese guy, and the Russian on the bridge of the ship. People come to Star Trek for that stuff. What they need, too, is writers who can (and are given the time and freedom to, I guess) create that world and those characters and stories in a believable and entertaining way. I don't think they've managed that.

Although -- Strange New Worlds is a very strong contender. And Lower Decks a lot of fun. Picard season 3 is doing what it does do well enough. Maybe there's hope.

Bobtheman

Diverse character's welcome. Making your political agenda the driving force of your storytelling is quite another thing

Bobtheman

I think this guy covers it way better than I could regarding Discovery

Lack of straight white males

Being gay is the only thing the doctor has going. He doesn't treat patients and has no other story line

All top brass are females

Proportionally 80% of star fleet seems to be African American. No aliens even?!

Yes he tackles the poor writing too

https://youtu.be/TNDmct-tLRY

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120456194#Comment_120456194

It wasn't even the first inter-racial kiss broadcast on US TV involving William Shatner but all those before Kirk and Uhura were People of European Ancestry and People of Asian, or mixed European and Asian ancestry. Plato's Stepchildren is really interesting for that kiss though, they were braced for a boycott of or backlash to the episode in some states and nothing happened.

TV in the Netherlands and the UK beat the Americans to a European ancestry and African Ancestry kiss by a couple of years too.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120458961#Comment_120458961

The DS9 episode Badda-Bing Badda-Bang, the one with the casino heist, has an element of this that sticks out like a sore thumb. Sisko gets very bent out of shape because African Americans weren't allowed in hotels in Vegas in the 1960s which from a production point of view is only 30 to 40 beforehand years but from Sisko's point of view it was 350 years before he was born.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120463003#Comment_120463003

People alive today still get pretty bent out of shape about the 1700s.

I doubt too many of us would be fond of a holodeck program where we play English plantation soldiers.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120475941#Comment_120475941

And those people should get over it too. If Plantation Soldier Simulator was a good program I wouldn't really care but it's not the same thing. Vic's program removed the discrimination element that was present at the time, none of the holosuite characters would have told Sisko to use the back entrance, whereas your example kind of centres around it. O'Brien getting upset at Julian for forcing him to play the part of a member of the British Armed Forces would have been a better example, except it never happened presumably because the Chief is over it.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120475986#Comment_120475986

Not defending Sisco and in fairness he did get over it by going in the end. Even sang an auld song.

Just saying it is the kind of stuff humans do.

Evade

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120476071#Comment_120476071

I'm glad he got over it too but it's an example of putting contemporary political issues into Star Trek in a very clumsy way. Picking an example from my favourite series also avoids accusations of just hating new Trek too.

To see this kind of thing done right the behind the scenes stuff for the Abandoned, the episode about the Jem'Hadar child, about how it's an allegory for the trap of 90s gang life in the US is worth a watch.

AMKC

How about a series on Montgomery Scotty after he finished on the Enteprise A? That could be good. Go from whatever he done there untill he is on the Jenolin and crashes on the Dyson Spear then continue it when the Enterprise-D finds him in the Transporter buffer of the Jenolin on the Dyson Spear and continue on from there. That could work and if done right could be interesting.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120484098#Comment_120484098

Please God no more prequels.

AMKC

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120484119#Comment_120484119

I would not mind another if done right like one set on the Enterprise B or C too could be cool. The forgotten time in Federstion history. Maybe we could see what happens then. If it was the people doing SNW over it then I would have no problem with it but yes one set in the 25th century on a whole new ship with a new crew too would be cool too and should be the way to go.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120484428#Comment_120484428

Im just sick to death of characters being recast and ships looking nothing like the era.

25th or nothing for me.

Evade

I'd prefer any new full series focus on moving forward too. I'd even go do far as placing it in the late 25th or early 26th century so the galaxy can be shaken up a bit as long as it makes sense. Legacy characters can still crop up in limited series or since they're building up a library of assets, an anthology.

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120484475#Comment_120484475

I'm with you on this one. I'm really not sure for justification of discovery.

I could understand Enterprise but casting Scott baluka was a mistake. A good actor but too mainstream.

It sounded good - go back to the beginning etc

But then after cancelling that series they decided to try another prequel?

Actually 2 but at least with SNW they ironed out some of the flaws from discovery.

Star trek needs to believe in itself again and go forward but please please no more dark sets.

breezy1985

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120486885#Comment_120486885

Hiring Bakula seemed like a very insecure move to me. Just hiring an actor because he was recognizable from another sci-fi.

Dark sets are probably here to stay because I am told it's to hide some cut corners.

Stark

Dark sets are probably here to stay because I am told it's to hide some cut corners.

Yeah, it's been a thing since HDTV was introduced pretty much. TVs these days are like mini cinema screens as opposed to the 480 line resolution analog signal 20 inch screen things we had in the 80s and 90s. So every set imperfection shows under good lighting whereas you would have gotten away with it in the old days. Farscape being an example where they switched to high-def filming in Season 4 and had to turn down the lights at the same time. Tbh, I'd prefer standard definition and good lighting.

Bobtheman

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120487048#Comment_120487048

Jaysus I'd agree . Not every TV series is dark so there must be some choice out there.

SNW is not as dark.

Anyway here is hoping

Mitch Connor

https://intl.startrek.com/news/star-trek-section-31-original-movie-event-michelle-yeoh

So

So the section 31 thing is going to be a movie not a show, happy with that.

Evade

Probably better off that way, the comically evil moustache twirling section 31 can't carry a series.

FutureGuy

Yeah I'm delighted with that news.

Bobtheman

I don't know. I always liked section 31 stories on Deep space 9 and even discovery. Though I actually can actually recall DS9 episodes better as I watched them at least twice

Yeoh is a great actress to boot.

Done well it could have been a good mini series.

However for a main series I no longer want new prequels.

corkie

https://screenrant.com/star-trek-movies-paramount-plus-every-two-years/

A new report in THR states that executive producer Alex Kurtzman and his Secret Hideout shingle plan to make a new Star Trek movie to stream on Paramount+ every two years. THR says Section 31 is the first part of "Phase 2" of Star Trek on Paramount+. Reportedly, Kurtzman pivoted Section 31 from a TV series to a feature film last summer after realizing Michelle Yeoh would win the Oscar for her role in Everything Everywhere All At Once.

@Mitch Connor reported it above.