Garda Age limit

yourdeadwright

I see in February it was ruled that the age limit for new Garda was discrimination & two lad won there case

I wonder if people over 35 applied now what would happen ?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/courtandcrime/arid-40809498.html

cluedo123

That was a year ago, and still no change yet.

Larbre34

Its such an obvious step to help address recruitment and retention.

There are people in jobs now, particularly existing public servants, who would be really happy to make a career change for many reasons and join the Gardaí with great experience of the working World, of dealing with people and processes, who would make great Gardaí.

In the North, you can join the PSNI up to age 57,which I think may be a bit far the other way, but I don't see why the Gardaí couldn't go to age 50, so long as all physical and mental markers are achieved. Its seems strange that Harris and Hillman and others have come from this culture in the PSNI and yet there seems no urgency to bring it into AGS, despite it being ruled discriminatory!

Witcher

Well if people in their mid forties and above want to join the Gardai and:

-Be the junior person on units filled with 20-30 year olds and be getting told what to do by them

-Be the one getting stuck on every post and every crap job

-Be the last on the list for any course, training or moves to specialised units

-Regularly go without the breaks, lunch or dinner they've become accustomed to.

-Work 12 hour night shifts

-Have no pension

Then absolutely sign them up but I'd suspect they won't stay long. They will essentially be starting at the very bottom of a career again in their mid forties, there's not much value in 'I've life experience'. The fact Drew Harris isn't keen on it despite seeing it in action in the PSNI tells a lot.

marvin_spazz

I see it was in the news today that the age limit is to be increased to maybe 45-50 now.

Does anybody know do you get incremental Credit when joining or are all on first point of entry if you join . I am point 9 in civil service so can this be transferred over to Garda payscale. Presume pension entitlements carry over too etc.

pah

My understanding is you carry service for pension purposes (some not neccesarily all) but you will start at point 1 on the scale.

Don't do it.

MarkN

Announcing later today

http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/1013/1410592-age-limit-to-join-gardai-to-be-raised-from-35-to-50/

conor05

Is this confirmed?

Lets say I am on 45k in the Local Authority, I would go back down to point 1 pay scale if transferred over to the guards?

Defo wouldn’t be worth that.

Strumms

If you are in your late 40’s on, I’d say unless you come from a fitness background… from the research I’ve done for and with a much younger family member, he’s 24, passing the fitness test wouldn’t be a very easy thing to achieve…for people of those certain more ‘senior’ vintages.

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121318207#Comment_121318207

You must be joking man,

Have you seen some of the Garda , If your in your 40's & keep your self fit for example Jog, lift eight & play 5 aside once a week you'll fly by the test

Depends what you call a fitness background , Your average 40 year old man should be FIT for themselves

2023recruit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121318207#Comment_121318207

I'd say any one with reasonable fitness should pass it and those that don't could get in shape in two months

thekopend

The fitness test level is done on age. The older you are the less is required. Some public service jobs you can carry over service for pension entitlements but as far as I know you will start at the bottom of the pay scale. If you have a degree pre joining you skip 3 levels at end of probation. Don't forget the base pay does not take into account allowances for unsocial hours etc which will increase pay by 20% or more. Depending where you are there will be opportunity for overtime also.

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121583640#Comment_121583640

The next competition is to Launch on the 15th of Jan I wonder will the age limit be raised for this one ?

Ciano1997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121585954#Comment_121585954

Yes it was stated it’s up to 50

Irishguy215702

Just a few things for applicants to consider when applying for the job and need to go into it with eyes open:

i wont even get into it if you're joining and between ages of 35 to 50, you'll need to get checked into a hospital not the garda college.

Pension: many people join thinking the pension is great. we get fed this from our parents who are basing it on their era from their age. anyone joining post 2013 the pension is disgraceful. you will get about 215-230 euro a week when you reture at 60, which is in line with the old age pension which everyone in none state jobs get. when you join a station you will quickly be told of this and advised to pay into your own AVC to supplement your poor pension. this fact is kept very quiet as it no doubt will affect peoples thinking when applying for this job and correctly so. the lump sum payment at retirement has also been slashed since 2013. nobody realises this and isnt publicised about in the media nor will you find it marketed by them as a reason to join as it doesnt exist anymore. people are walking in blind thinking great pension setting me up for life

work life balance - won't be able to plan things for your days off due to required court appearances/ taking calls on work on days off also and also if you are sent to a call at the end of your last shift and arrest you have to work on into your day off to tie it up.

 

Rosters: as you may have read rosters are under discussion. despite the current one proposed being rejected by the GRA for non core units to be working 78 days extra a year working 7 days on, 2 days off, 7 days on 3 days off on 9 to 5 hrs, and lose thousands due to not working to non social hours. this new roster is still going live despite rejection from the people it affects most resulting in extra childcare fees due to working more days, fuel costs for travelling to work more often. management have power to do this without consent which is shocking in the day and age of work life balance and 4 day weeks being considered by private sector employers now.

 

Work: I appreciate many have wanted to do this since childhood and want it desperately for whatever is their reasons. if its for the day to day work then be prepared that it is all paper work orientated. everything is reports, duplication and beurocracy which snows everyone under. helping decent people is actually rare who for the majority will rarely come into contact with them in their lives but to get passports sorted etc. you will mainly be refereeing domestics with people who call you to get one over on an ex partner due to child custody or if its current partners they will later withdraw complaints but for it to start again further down the line, mental health persons which you are not trained to deal with, frauds which you will be beating your head off a wall trying to progress but cant due to banks delaying you and outside of this any other crimes tend to be between one low life against another one or wrestling with drunk lads on cold rainy nights out facing being attacked.

morale is rock bottom in the job, people are resigning in their droves as they see the realities and the work load expected of them, the day of staying in the job until retirement is in the past now which used to be the case for sure. i know many will view this as overly negative summary of the job so what i would advise is before following through with it talk to others you know in the job and hear what they have to say first. i dont know anyone in it that would recommend it anyways.

yourdeadwright

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121736966#Comment_121736966

How much are you making a year with the over time ? Not exactly but around ,

What changes do you think need to be made to get people back wanting to be Garda