Suckler Shed -Farm

stephenmc16

Hi,

Has anyone got rough costings of a 2/3 Bay slatted shed with creep area for calves at today’s price. From tank dig out to finish and not doing any of the work myself.

Any pics would be great too and advice on whether to go for grant or not.

Thanks in advance

Grueller

40% or 60% grant eligible?

stephenmc16

Partnership so think it’s 40%. Green cert done and all. Haven’t looked into it but I’d be thinking 40%

Cavanjack

You’ll get 60% if under 40.

if so get the grant on it and build a 4 bay.

stephenmc16

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/buildings-focus-erecting-a-suckler-shed-with-a-creep-area-over-an-existing-slatted-tank/

In 2021 this cost €35000 incl vat. What would this kind of shed cost now would anyone know?

Itryhard

I'd expect twice that now..

Dunedin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389405#Comment_120389405

Jayus I did a 4 span in 2018 and cost me €80k. Albeit there was €10k of filling needed as it was a low site and €3k calving camera but still… makes me wonder how he did this for €35.

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389817#Comment_120389817

I’d say he was afraid the wife would see the article and said he better tell Agriland it cost what he had told her it cost!!!

tanko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120389817#Comment_120389817

Pat and his friend fitted the gates and barriers all by themselves saving €30K, you must have paid someone to fit your gates and barriers, that was a big mistake.

Anto_Meath

Looking at the gates he put up, I see similar in a shed of a friend of mine, like this shed he has the flat hanger slot on either end of the gate, with an adjustable couple on the top and bottom of the gate. The first year they were fine but now that they are in a while they are some disaster and a sure way of getting a hand / finger injury trying to get all the holes lined up and then dropping in the fiddley little pin while cattle push against the gate that has now been strained a bit.

Flat hanger slot.jpg

DBK1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120390614#Comment_120390614

Have them on gates in a beef shed here since 2017. The shed is 25 foot wide so there’s a centre pillar and 2 gates across each pen with the gates having that hanger system at both ends so the gates can be opened from either side.

It’s very handy for sorting cattle on your own as you can open the gates from either end depending on where the animals you want from the pen are.

They’re a super job and one item I’ve recommended to anyone I know that has done a shed since.

I’d be fattening cattle up to 700kgs in these pens and there’s no strain on any gate anywhere after 6 winters now. If your friends gates are strained he must not have got the proper heavy duty 5 bar gates for the job as no animal will strain those.

Dunedin

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120391166#Comment_120391166

I have them too and agree they’re a good job.

Anto_Meath

Maybe its the adjustable fitting on the end of the gate that is the problem. You push them in and out to get the pin into it to secure the gate closed.I have a solid Gibney feeder Gate that a long bar goes down either side to secure it, I find them a good job.

Cavanjack

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120392629#Comment_120392629

You are supposed to fix those extendable gates to the correct length so there is no need for the pushing in or out.

Have them here in the last shed that was built and I’d have heavy bulls that’d make dbk1’s look like calves 😜. No issue with the gates though.

stephenmc16

Getting a little off topic🙈😅anyone got a rough cost of the shed in the Agriland post at today’s costs?

SuperTortoise

There's no way that shed was built for 35k even in 2021.

I really don't know what it would cost today but if I had to guess it would be around the 80k mark.

funkey_monkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120393196#Comment_120393196

I'm a bit bored at the minute so...

EDIT: not 100% accurate, but should give a bit of guidance.

In 2021, construction inflation was at 7.0% in the first half of last year and 6.0% in the second half of the year.

https://scsi.ie/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/SCSI_TenderPriceIndex_2022_Apr.pdf

In 2022, construction inflation was at 7.5% in the first half of last year and 4% in the second half of the year.

https://scsi.ie/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/SCSI_TenderPriceIndex_2022EMA.pdf

I believe the the rate of construction inflation is easing off but still rising this year.

Taking that shed at €35,000 inc VAT (which seems very cheap for grant spec). Price was for early/mid 2021, so assume it came from Dec 2020):

€35,000 * 1.07 = 37,450 (Jul 2021)

€37,450 * 0.16 = 39,697 (Dec 2021)

€39,679 * 1.075 = 42,674 (Jul 2022)

€42,674 * 1.04 = €44,381 (Dec 2022)

Divide that by the 4 bays and you're looking at €11,000 per bay to build. I think that is far too low.

Then there is this one in Galway, not grant spec, but cost €30,000 in May 2020. 3 bays, but no lie back.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/buildings-focus-a-cheap-and-tidy-3-bay-slatted-unit-for-20-cows-in-co-galway/

Adjust for inflation it would be approx €43,000 now. However this man made gates and barriers himself. Works out at €15,000 per bay, but you'd need someone to make your gates and probably more tasks too. So as a comparison to the one above you can see that something is amiss between them.

This seems a bit more realistic. However, note that he hung gates himself and some digger work, although not digging out the tank. You plan to tender it all out.

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/buildings-focus-4-bay-slatted-shed-in-sligo-for-suckler-to-beef-farm/

€77,000 exc VAT.

77,000 * 1.075 = €82,775 (Jun 2022)

82,775 * 1.04 = €86,086 (Dec 2022)

Divide that by the 4 bays and you're looking at €21,521 per bay to build. As you will be doing none of the work you should look at approx €25,000 per bay. So, a 3 bay slatted shed with lie-back will be in or around €75,000.

Note this article said that this shed was grant spec and the owner got 60% on TAMS and therefore it cost him €33,000.

Another one - 4 bays:

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/buildings-focus-leaving-no-stone-unturned-in-this-new-suckler-unit-in-roscommon/

€69,000 - probably a 2020 build.

So, approx €87,500 when adjust for inflation. Grant spec. Not sure if that price includes the midden. That's around €30,000 per bay.

I'd say you'll be looking at between €25k and €30k per bay for grant spec with lie-back. Would others agree?

stephenmc16

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120394086#Comment_120394086

That’s great thank you🙂

Stationmaster

Great post - funkey monkey - fair play to you.

Another question now though - say €30k per bay so €75k for your 3 bays all in.

Will you get 40% on the full price or will the TAMS spec prices reduce it so that they might only cost it for €65k for example so you'll only get 40% of that?

funkey_monkey

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120395767#Comment_120395767

Hi - I'd know nothing about TAMS as I'm in north. Hopefully someone in the know can reply for you. I'd say though that they would have spec prices and you get your 40% based on that. There was a recent grant up here and inflation had caused problems with the grant price being way off what the purchase price had crept up to by the time the grant was released.