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Toyota Prius Plug-in Hybrid 2023

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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,641 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    I would have been more interested in a full EV version, Toyota are really not keeping up at this point.

    I have the first generation Prius Plug-in (2012-2015, was sold in the UK and Japan but not here), it suited my needs when I was buying second-hand in 2016 and BEVs within my budget weren't good enough (mainly 24 kWh Leaf). But I doubt I'd buy another PHEV in this day and age, where 300+km EVs are the norm.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,031 ✭✭✭Royale with Cheese


    Any idea of a rough price in Ireland? I've a Model 3 I will be looking to get rid of at the end of the year, PHEV suits me perfectly so this looks interesting.



  • Registered Users Posts: 73,397 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    I’m gonna throw my hat into the ring at €52k



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Why are toyota going down the plug in route.



  • Registered Users Posts: 73,397 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    They already had a plug-in Prius, and a RAV4 plug-in option. They’ve also gone down the BEV route with the bz4x, and a slew of sausage and chips hybrids on pretty much every model. The PHEVs always commanded a premium, so if the Prius is being moved upmarket, it makes sense to have better technology (as in a decent sized battery) than the cheaper Toyotas that do everything a Prius used to do. It’s also a way of appealing to people who don’t want to go full BEV just yet.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭ofcork


    I see some survey found a lot of the plug in hybrids didnt get anywhere near their claimed range.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,990 ✭✭✭User1998


    Its the same with full EV’s. It hasn’t been as bad since WLTP was introduced but still a lot of discrepancies. To be fair I don’t think petrol or diesel cars ever achieve their claimed economy either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 16,089 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    It's not they are not keeping up, but rather they think that full EV's are not a way to go mainstream (not yet anyway).

    And they might be actually right. On the European market, still vast majority of people are not thinking about EV's neither they want one.

    Toyota is manufacturing and selling what people want to buy - simple as that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,990 ✭✭✭User1998


    This just isn’t true. Twice the amount of people are buying full EV’s compared to Plug in Hybrids.

    And twice the amount of people are buying petrol/diesel compared to Plug in Hybrids.

    Toyota don’t even sell petrol/diesel cars anymore except for the Aygo and some commercial jeeps



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭ozmo


    Looks great :) I don't get all the hate for plug-ins :/ See it a lot in reviews.

    If I can keep within 69km EV range most days - whats the issue? You would still have the ability to drive further then if you really have to..

    Been waiting for Prius Prime to come to Ireland since I heard it announced in USA many years ago...

    “Roll it back”



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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,089 ✭✭✭✭CiniO


    I never said that they think that plug-in hybrid is a way to go. I was just replying to comment about toyota no keeping up (which I understood not offering enough EV's)

    They didn't go into EV market for a long while, and plugin hybrids are just there as an option to fill that part of the market.

    Regular hybrid is their main market, and they are pretty good at it. They don't seem to believe that EV will become only option soon, and they might be actually right about that.

    Stats:

    https://www.euronews.com/next/2023/02/20/sales-of-electric-cars-in-the-eu-broke-records-in-2022-which-country-in-europe-is-leading



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    What real world MPG would you get out of this thing I wonder -Say on a 250km journey?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    best guess is 65 mpg, assuming 50 km on electric, 5.5l/100km = 22.7 km per litre.

    Its all the sub 50 km trips on battery that bring the average mpg up, say you done another 250 km on battery over a week, then your up to 130 mpg, plus electricity.

    I am on my 3rd phev , usually put 50 euro into the car every 2 months, plug in every night, sometimes during the day also.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison


    Ok thanks for that- that’s what I was figuring. So with a PHEV, if doing very regular long mileage trips, you get reasonable MPG - if doing short trips you get great economy driving. I guess a lot of people living in rural areas would still favour an economical diesel over this car - after the economy it’s then down to maybe things like comfort, practicality, overall price of purchase, personal preference - I mean, it’s a car that would suit many for their “needs” but maybe not for their “wants”



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    Its like I said a mix of both can really up the mpg, yeah I think its more of the devil you know, 20,30,40,50 km on battery sounds pretty useless until you start to add your trips up, I'm never ever going back to manual, compare an automatic diesel to a phev, you will find that they are much the same price.

    just drive it, charge when ever you can, put fuel in, some times you will only get 2 weeks from a fill other times get 2 months or more,



  • Registered Users Posts: 645 ✭✭✭Killer K


    This is a smashing looking car from the exterior. Massive improvement in desirability. Looks very sporty. Not crazy about the interior (think it is the look of the steering and digital display that is putting me off a little but am sure i could live with it).

    Toyota are the masters at making Hybrids and the RAV4 PHEV in EV mode is very impressive from what I have read.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,641 ✭✭✭zilog_jones


    They introduced the 2nd generation Prius Plug-in (Prius Prime in US) in mid 2017 in Ireland. It was like €37k with grants, had awful boot space, and could only seat four. Toyota Ireland dropped it a few years ago because no one was buying them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭ozmo


    ta. I asked two big garages about this - around 2018 - and neither there had this info - said wasnt available in Ireland and didnt know when would get here :/

    Nothing showed on any of the car sales sites back then either - so I just assumed it never made it yet and settled on a regular Prius.

    “Roll it back”



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,908 ✭✭✭kanuseeme


    2019 is when you could buy the 5 seat phev version, in other countries at least, I see them at auction in japan.



  • Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭metroburgers


    Malone's in Drogheda said it would be in end of year unfortunately.

    Some more specs and a price released from Toyota (4,600,000jpy = approx. 32k, which prob means 40k in Ireland ;)

    And might well be the answer to Ireland's housing crisis.. "Creating a comfortable interior space without running the engine, this feature turns the car interior into an additional room that can be used for teleworking, rest, or any other activities."


    Vehicle outline

    2.0-liter Plug-in Hybrid System

    • Based on the latest fifth-generation hybrid system, the new Prius PHEV combines a compact, high-capacity drive battery and high-output drive motor in Toyota's first use of its newly developed 2.0-liter Plug-in Hybrid System. This version of the Prius has outstanding dynamic performance with a system that produces a maximum 164 kW (223 PS) of power, which is about double that of the previous model*3, and achieves acceleration of 0-100 km/h in 6.7 seconds. It also offers great fuel efficiency of 26.0 km/L*1 with 19-inch tires and 30.1 km/L*1 with 17-inch tires*2.
    • BEV driving distance can cover the majority of daily driving using just the electric power from the battery. Distance is 87 km*4 with 19-inch tires and 105 km*4 with 17-inch tires, with the 105 km representing an improvement of 75% compared to the previous model*3.
    • The new Prius PHEV is equipped with Regeneration Boost, which is useful on mountain roads and in other situations that require regular switching between acceleration and braking. When set, this function provides stronger regenerative braking force than normal to deliver responsive driving performance while reducing the frequency of switching between the accelerator and brake pedals.


    2.0-liter Plug-in Hybrid System

    Power generation and supply

    • As a feature unique to PHEV models, the new Prius PHEV comes with both a BEV external power supply mode, which uses electricity stored in the battery to provide an external power supply for outdoor, leisure, and other activities, and an HEV external power supply mode, which can use the car as a power supply during blackouts, disasters, and other emergencies. In the HEV external power supply mode, electricity is supplied from the battery only until the remaining power falls to a set level, after which the engine starts to supply electricity. With a full battery charge and full tank of gas, this system can provide enough electricity for about five days of use*5. It also comes with an external electric power supply attachment as standard so that external power supply is possible with the door windows closed to prevent rain and insects from getting in the car when in use. It is also equipped with a vehicle power connector that can be plugged into the charging inlet of the vehicle for use as an external power socket providing 1,500 W (100 VAC).


    External electric power supply attachment

    • The new Prius PHEV is equipped with a second-generation solar charging system*6 that efficiently converts solar energy into electricity, providing enough power to drive up to 1,250 km per year*7 in BEV mode. With a highly efficient solar panel installed into the vehicle roof, the battery can be charged in parking lots where there are no charging stations, or even during blackouts from disasters or other causes, as long as the sun is shining. Electric power generated from the solar panel is used to charge the drive battery while parked, with the system not only supplying electricity for driving but for air conditioning and other functions as well. The system also supplies the auxiliary battery system when driving to reduce drive battery consumption.


    Solar panel

    • The new Prius PHEV comes with a "My Room Mode" that lets users enjoy air conditioning and audio systems from the external power source by turning the power switch on during normal charging. Creating a comfortable interior space without running the engine, this feature turns the car interior into an additional room that can be used for teleworking, rest, or any other activities.




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  • Registered Users Posts: 606 ✭✭✭Chippy01


    ''Malone's in Drogheda said it would be in end of year unfortunately.

    Some more specs and a price released from Toyota (4,600,000jpy = approx. 32k, which prob means 40k in Ireland ;)''


    Ha, don't hold your breath for that price (40k) here. It'll probably be nearer to 56k



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 shabaranks


    Don't think the Solar roof is coming to Europe. Do have a contract in Toyota main dealer and price is expected at mid to late €40's. If you compare US /Canada prices for the Prime (PHEV) version vs RAV4 Prime then €47k looks a good call. Some stock was expected mid year, will check if there's any direct news on deliveries.



  • Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭rocks1981


    So looking like 45,900 on toyota.ie not sure if theres more configuration options coming.


    There haven't been enough PHEV options on the market, especially with decent range. This seem like a great option. 90% journeys with electric and no range/charging anxiety on long trips.



  • Registered Users Posts: 606 ✭✭✭Chippy01


    That's 45,900 + delivery + paint option. Closer to 47,700 or so.

    The 'configure' tab isn't working at the moment, so it's just a guess.

    And that would be for the base model (if there was more than one option)



  • Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭metroburgers


    Configure tab is working now, looks like it'll be the best part of 50k anyhow (including delivery), inflated price here is a joke, same model starts $32,350 in the US (approx. €30k)



  • Registered Users Posts: 33 yellowmellow2241


    Around €49K. Will be available to test drive from sometimes July. Civic ehev would be better choice at this price than Prius.



  • Registered Users Posts: 51,158 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    They are both overpriced but the Civic styling is drab in comparison imo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,860 ✭✭✭ozmo


    Crazy pricing - I know apples and oranges - but 49K makes it far more expensive than a tesla (3) - i wouldnt have expected that.

    “Roll it back”



  • Registered Users Posts: 8,493 ✭✭✭Red Silurian


    And probably has the same range as M3 when you combine the petrol tank and battery on the Prius

    It goes completely against the whole idea of PHEVs being a stop-gap on the way to EV adoption, they are meant to have better range (with the petrol engine) and cost less than full EVs



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