Selling cattle new tb test rules

westeast

I have 20 500 kg heifers that were tested in annual herd test last .I will be selling in the mart in the next two to three weeks .the question is do I need to test with new rules to sell or not

tanko

The new rules don’t apply to heifers, only to cows of any age and males over 36 months afaik. They don’t apply to animals behind sold for finishing either.

westeast

Thanks for reply tanko 👍😀

anthony500_1

I've a cull cow to get rid of, and I'll be going to the mart with herselling as a cull.not fit for breading, tb test over 6mts old do I need to get her tested or can I sell away without any come backs???

tanko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120410828#Comment_120410828

Once she’s within 12 months of a test you can sell her. The new rules don’t apply to cull cows being sold for finishing.

alps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120410828#Comment_120410828

There's no comebacks to the seller whatever market she is sold for. The onus here is on the buyer.

greysides

This is a run down of the new rules:

There are new European Union Regulations (Regulation 2016/429; Delegated regulation 2020/689) regarding Bovine TB, which require that all animals moving farm to farm or through marts must be TB tested within a certain time frame. This will be introduced on a Phased basis. The start date for phase 1 is February 1st, 2023.   

1. Phase 1

a) Cows of all ages, and males over the age of 36 months that are moving farm to farm or through a mart must be

➢ TB tested in the last 6 months and 

➢ Moving from a herd that has been tested in the last 6 months. 

b) If they do not fulfil both these requirements, then they must be tested, 

➢ Either within the 30 days prior to movement or 

➢ Within 30 days after movement into the new herd.                                                                                            

2. Animals requiring a post movement test: 

➢ Will be restricted immediately to the herd into which they have moved.

➢ Will require a 30-day post movement test. 

➢ Animals may be private tested or tested as part of other herd level tests. 

➢ If not tested, the herd will be restricted after 30 days.

➢ If after another 60 days (90 in total) and the animals are still not tested, a full herd test will be scheduled. 

This allows the opportunity for cull cows to be purchased, fed, and slaughtered without a 90-day window without the farmers incurring the cost of testing. 

3. These requirements do not apply to animals moving directly to slaughter or directly to controlled finishing units (CFUs).  

I have about 25 aax calves, bulls and heifers, was told today that they need to be tested once over 6 weeks. I looked on dept website and can't make head nor tail of it.

Anyone know if they do have to be tested for sure.

Thanks.

tanko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619998#Comment_120619998

If they’re over six weeks old they have to be TB tested to sell them afaik, there was an exemption on this during Covid but i think that’s long gone.

Base price

Calves over 42 days old have to be TB tested to sell either in the mart or privately.

minerleague

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120619998#Comment_120619998

Are you due a full herd test now?

Not till October. 21 of them are overe the age. There's 15 still under and another 10 due to be born in next 2 weeks, I might let them off instead.

farmer2018

Can someone help me I have a suckler cow to sell at the mart just over the six months tb rule, do I need to test her or will the new owner have to test her within 30 days?

Also will this effect her selling?

tanko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121721413#Comment_121721413

If it’s a cull cow going for finishing or slaughter you don’t need to test her or neither will the buyer. It won’t affect how she sells either.

farmer2018

She's a incalf cow.

tanko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121721506#Comment_121721506

That’s a different story then, if you don’t test her the new owner will have to afaik. Is she long in calf?

farmer2018

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121721573#Comment_121721573

6 months. I think they will have to within 30 days. I wonder will that effect her selling, has anybody any experience with this?

Albert Johnson

It might put off some lad's as they wouldn’t want the hassle, expense and risk of testing her. However privately testing her yourself will be a cost and it's hard to know if it will make much of a difference. I'd be inclined to show her in the mart as is and see what happens. If you were unhappy with the price you could always bring her home and test her. There's lots of lad's who are unaware of the new testing requirements or who don't look at the details on the board apart from DOB.

farmer2018

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121721615#Comment_121721615

Thanks. Yes I think your right, not many I know fully understand the rules. Of course if the buyer is having their herd test within the 30 days there is no bother.

orm0nd

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121721506#Comment_121721506

I asked re buying in dairy cows over in the dairy forum but didn't even receive a reply,

Anyhow if the buyer doesn't test her within 30 days, his herd is locked up. If he tests her and she goes down. The buyer and the seller's herds are restricted.

farmer2018

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121721743#Comment_121721743

Everything to make it harder on the farmer anymore. It's a tricky one so do I sell her as is or get her tested. She wouldn't be a valuable animal.

Anto_Meath

See some lad sell out his cows a few weeks ago, all were tested May 2023. I thought prices were poor enough for the quality of the animals. Mostly Chx cows in calf to an Ai CH / Lm. He was struggling to get any of them into €1,500 ( I thought they should be in the €1,600 -€1,700 range) I said it to one of the lads at the ring, he said look at the test.. only the dealers were buying them, he said they would test a group of them and then sell them on again.

Jb1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121721743#Comment_121721743

For the buyer If not tested after first 30 days your can't sell but can buy in.

Either 30 or 60 days after that, if not tested your fully locked down.

You've the details for original seller regarding their status that I wasn't aware of tho 👍🏿

greysides

Here's the rules in full:

9a59a3c9-7916-46fb-aa6c-b6a6e14722f3.pdf

Albert Johnson

Does the requirement that they be Tb tested in the previous 6 months AND be moving from a herd that's been tested in the previous 6 months not make private testing them obsolete? Even if you tested the animal in question before sale it still wouldn't satisfy the requirement that the herd be in 6 months test or am I missing something.

greysides

Answers:

1. Yes.

2. It wouldn't but it's then not necessary.