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Selling cattle new tb test rules

  • 09-03-2023 1:53pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 30


    I have 20 500 kg heifers that were tested in annual herd test last .I will be selling in the mart in the next two to three weeks .the question is do I need to test with new rules to sell or not



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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,201 ✭✭✭tanko


    The new rules don’t apply to heifers, only to cows of any age and males over 36 months afaik. They don’t apply to animals behind sold for finishing either.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 30 westeast


    Thanks for reply tanko 👍😀



  • Registered Users Posts: 477 ✭✭anthony500_1


    I've a cull cow to get rid of, and I'll be going to the mart with herselling as a cull.not fit for breading, tb test over 6mts old do I need to get her tested or can I sell away without any come backs???



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,201 ✭✭✭tanko


    Once she’s within 12 months of a test you can sell her. The new rules don’t apply to cull cows being sold for finishing.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,922 ✭✭✭alps


    There's no comebacks to the seller whatever market she is sold for. The onus here is on the buyer.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    This is a run down of the new rules:


    There are new European Union Regulations (Regulation 2016/429; Delegated regulation 2020/689) regarding Bovine TB, which require that all animals moving farm to farm or through marts must be TB tested within a certain time frame. This will be introduced on a Phased basis. The start date for phase 1 is February 1st, 2023.   

    1. Phase 1

    a) Cows of all ages, and males over the age of 36 months that are moving farm to farm or through a mart must be

    ➢ TB tested in the last 6 months and 

    ➢ Moving from a herd that has been tested in the last 6 months. 


    b) If they do not fulfil both these requirements, then they must be tested, 

    ➢ Either within the 30 days prior to movement or 

    ➢ Within 30 days after movement into the new herd.                                                                                            

    2. Animals requiring a post movement test: 

    ➢ Will be restricted immediately to the herd into which they have moved.

    ➢ Will require a 30-day post movement test. 

    ➢ Animals may be private tested or tested as part of other herd level tests. 

    ➢ If not tested, the herd will be restricted after 30 days.

    ➢ If after another 60 days (90 in total) and the animals are still not tested, a full herd test will be scheduled. 

    This allows the opportunity for cull cows to be purchased, fed, and slaughtered without a 90-day window without the farmers incurring the cost of testing. 


    3. These requirements do not apply to animals moving directly to slaughter or directly to controlled finishing units (CFUs).  

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



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  • Registered Users Posts: 140 ✭✭Unidentified user


    I have about 25 aax calves, bulls and heifers, was told today that they need to be tested once over 6 weeks. I looked on dept website and can't make head nor tail of it.

    Anyone know if they do have to be tested for sure.

    Thanks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,201 ✭✭✭tanko


    If they’re over six weeks old they have to be TB tested to sell them afaik, there was an exemption on this during Covid but i think that’s long gone.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,119 ✭✭✭✭Base price


    Calves over 42 days old have to be TB tested to sell either in the mart or privately.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,027 ✭✭✭minerleague




  • Registered Users Posts: 140 ✭✭Unidentified user


    Not till October. 21 of them are overe the age. There's 15 still under and another 10 due to be born in next 2 weeks, I might let them off instead.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 580 ✭✭✭farmer2018


    Can someone help me I have a suckler cow to sell at the mart just over the six months tb rule, do I need to test her or will the new owner have to test her within 30 days?

    Also will this effect her selling?



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,201 ✭✭✭tanko


    If it’s a cull cow going for finishing or slaughter you don’t need to test her or neither will the buyer. It won’t affect how she sells either.



  • Registered Users Posts: 580 ✭✭✭farmer2018


    She's a incalf cow.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,201 ✭✭✭tanko


    That’s a different story then, if you don’t test her the new owner will have to afaik. Is she long in calf?



  • Registered Users Posts: 580 ✭✭✭farmer2018


    6 months. I think they will have to within 30 days. I wonder will that effect her selling, has anybody any experience with this?



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    It might put off some lad's as they wouldn’t want the hassle, expense and risk of testing her. However privately testing her yourself will be a cost and it's hard to know if it will make much of a difference. I'd be inclined to show her in the mart as is and see what happens. If you were unhappy with the price you could always bring her home and test her. There's lots of lad's who are unaware of the new testing requirements or who don't look at the details on the board apart from DOB.



  • Registered Users Posts: 580 ✭✭✭farmer2018


    Thanks. Yes I think your right, not many I know fully understand the rules. Of course if the buyer is having their herd test within the 30 days there is no bother.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭orm0nd


    I asked re buying in dairy cows over in the dairy forum but didn't even receive a reply,


    Anyhow if the buyer doesn't test her within 30 days, his herd is locked up. If he tests her and she goes down. The buyer and the seller's herds are restricted.



  • Registered Users Posts: 580 ✭✭✭farmer2018


    Everything to make it harder on the farmer anymore. It's a tricky one so do I sell her as is or get her tested. She wouldn't be a valuable animal.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    See some lad sell out his cows a few weeks ago, all were tested May 2023. I thought prices were poor enough for the quality of the animals. Mostly Chx cows in calf to an Ai CH / Lm. He was struggling to get any of them into €1,500 ( I thought they should be in the €1,600 -€1,700 range) I said it to one of the lads at the ring, he said look at the test.. only the dealers were buying them, he said they would test a group of them and then sell them on again.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,414 ✭✭✭Jb1989


    For the buyer If not tested after first 30 days your can't sell but can buy in.

    Either 30 or 60 days after that, if not tested your fully locked down.

    You've the details for original seller regarding their status that I wasn't aware of tho 👍🏿



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 1,869 Mod ✭✭✭✭Albert Johnson


    Does the requirement that they be Tb tested in the previous 6 months AND be moving from a herd that's been tested in the previous 6 months not make private testing them obsolete? Even if you tested the animal in question before sale it still wouldn't satisfy the requirement that the herd be in 6 months test or am I missing something.



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 8,971 Mod ✭✭✭✭greysides


    Answers:

    1. Yes.

    2. It wouldn't but it's then not necessary.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



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