Legal advice

Marty984

Hi, I'm not sure I'm posting in the right place but someone might have a bit of advice. My van went through a CVRTon 18th if December and failed on a few suspension parts. Agreed to send to garage to have work done but he had serviced the van in October and he noted at the time that the injectors were passing so I told him to sort this when it was in with him.

Van is now written off! He rang me when it arrived to say it had no oil so he toped it up. He then went ahead and done suspension repairs and started on the injectors. Rang me to say it was giving trouble starting. Then rang to say the engine 'ran on' while he was doing a flush. This can cause major damage. He then checked the turbo and it was in poor condition and this must have been where the oil previously had went. He changed the turbo and rang to say it is knocking badly and more than likely has internal damage. Where do I stand?? Stupidly I paid him🙁

It's a 2007 Transit 2.2

Thanks for any replies.

CoBo55

How was it running after the test? Running on I caused by the engine running on it own engine oil instead of diesel, usually caused by turbo failure, oil can get from the centre of the turbo to the engine. Your only solution now is to try and get another engine from a breakers.

Marty984

It drove in perfect, engine passed DOE weeks previous. Injectors were leaking diesel so small job to do them. It was then that I got the calls and the bills added up and now this. Fairly p-off but maybe I'll have to swallow hard and suck it up.

CoBo55

Did you ask him to do a flush? I'd say it took off on the flushing oil and he couldn't stop it. I don't like those flushing oils on modern engines as they can dislodge things that are better left unlodged. I wouldn't be rolling over in this tbh I'd be expecting him to make a hefty contribution to getting her back on the road, if not covering it completely. I left my car in with a guy to do an oil change and filter, I provided both. Got a phone call a few hours later saying the car would only start and run for a few seconds, he had left the key beside a magnetic chuck and corrupted the internal chip. I told him to ring me when it's sorted, and hung up I wasn't getting into the bullshit, I drove it in there and was expecting to drive it out, which I did a few hours later.

Marty984

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120246757#Comment_120246757

Here is his list and reasons for work done.

CoBo55

It took 6 litres to show a reading?? You're doomed aul son I'd say it was a gonner already.

MarkR

It was being driven with it being 6 litres short of oil and was running fine?

Marty984

Yes running fine, it went through a CVRT test! I'm not sure whether to believe him or not, if it needed 6l of oil why did he not notice this when starting engine? It was only when oil light flicked on that he checked oil level. There were no other symptoms. Also if it required 6l if oil surely he should of checked the turbo first before going at injectors to see where oil went? Think I'm screwed alright but mechanic clearly not used to transits.

CoBo55

When he saw there was no oil in the engine he should have rang you, that's what I would have done. Why some manufacturers don't have a low oil level light baffles me, it would save countless engines. Toyota and VW have had them for years.

Marty984

Ya think the Ford lights up for oil pressure and not level,I should have been checking the dipstick on it though as it is a 2007. Lessons learned.

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120247897#Comment_120247897

Tough lesson unfortunately. What are you going to do? Is the van in decent enough condition to warrant an engine change?

standardg60

He serviced the van in October and it required 6litres 3 months later?

Something doesn't add up here, and those engines require 5w40. I'd guess whatever he put in to do the flush fcuked it up.

Or for some reason he completely misread the dipstick. The capacity of those engines is 6litres so if he put that much in 'just to get it on the stick' something's not right.

He may have way overfilled it causing it to run on. Either way I'd be demanding he makes good.

Marty984

It's just converted to a camper, the body is sound so I might throw a recon in and keep it and at least I'd know she's good.

Marty984

Ys definitely sounds off but so hard to prove 🙁

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120248346#Comment_120248346

According to the picture he never put the flush in, it started to run on as it was warming up. I reckon the knackered turbo was the cause of the running on.

Esel

Does running on occur if there is a lot of diesel mixed with the engine oil?

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120255745#Comment_120255745

Yes it can do. Usually it's caused by pressurised oil getting from the centre of the turbo to the air inlet side, once it starts it's extremely difficult to stop. You need to quickly either stall the engine by putting it in a high gear with your foot hard on the brake or block off the air intake with a board or a big towel hoping it doesn't ingest your item, which can easily happen. I've heard anecdotes of engines being stopped using a co2 fire extinguisher into the inlet, easier said than done.

TheW1zard

What does running on mean? Cheers

smuggler.ie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120257569#Comment_120257569

Perhaps its called runaway engine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3pxVqfBdp0

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120257656#Comment_120257656

The truck driver could easily have put it in gear and let the clutch out to stall the engine, probably isn't his so he doesn't give a shite, same with the car provided it isn't automatic.

smuggler.ie

easy for me and you to type here...

he potentially had workshop filling up with thick smoke and fire/explosion potential. have to be ready and cold blood to act

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120257822#Comment_120257822

That's it exactly. It's like doing first aid courses, it's grand practising on a dummy, whole different ball game when someone is being electrocuted in front of you and smoke coming from their hand.

standardg60

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120252944#Comment_120252944

Those bullet points make no sense, why would he put 6 litres in and then drop the sump?

Assuming he was using a flushing additive, surely it would have been put in prior to warming up. My guess is he's either overfilled it, put oil in that the engine didn't agree with (he was hardly using fresh oil given it was for a flush and he said it was hard started after he put it in), or he effed up the injectors while 'sorting' them. Injectors are a specialist job afaik, and how would one notice they were passing during a routine service anyway?

CoBo55

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120258757#Comment_120258757

Looks like they were allowing gases past and needed reseating with new sealing washers.