Time for a zero refugee policy? - *Read OP for mod warnings and threadbans - updated 11/5/24*

mistersifter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122100745#Comment_122100745

Agree with the favelas in the mountains comment.

We need to get rid of the shanties altogether but moving them to rural locations leads to an "out of sight, out of mind" mentality which enables them to become permanently rooted.

This is exactly what happened in South America when Brazilian and Argentinian governments got rid of shanty towns to save face when hosting international sporting events.

AllForIt

I had to laugh at RTE's 9'oclock news reporting of today's protest "……they were carrying tricolours and shouting slogans". They didn't say how many were at it bud did say there was a LARGE Garda presence.

OMG, TRICOLOURS!

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104810#Comment_122104810

Nice - what a country.

Furze99

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122103758#Comment_122103758

I fully believe this and that utterly useless Minister for Tourism is completely missing. Her buddy Roderic has some strange control over her, so she can't open her mouth to represent one of our larger rural industries. We need an election now and turf these wasters out.

Damien360

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104745#Comment_122104745

SF screwed up at the North Wall. They had their chance to sweep up a load of votes and they stood with the state and the come all ye stance. People haven't forgotten. They are no better than the current government with the sudden change of mood with no substance.

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104894#Comment_122104894

I've said it elsewhere, but since when has it become normal to try to shame people for waving their country flag and be proud of who we are. Its like they're so afraid of being called racist we can't even show our own identity anymore.

sonofenoch

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104894#Comment_122104894

Much like the UJ in the UK has become something to be frowned upon as likely to cause offence, we're following suit

The world is upside down, the lunatics have genuinely taken over the asylum

pureza

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104565#Comment_122104565

You get EU wide co operation and process them in France,with every country paying

Failing that,as a net contributer to the EU now,we deduct the cost of supporting or deporting these chancers from what we are supposed to pay Brussels

thomas 123

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104890#Comment_122104890

Have you any source for this claim?

Cluedo Monopoly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122103801#Comment_122103801

You missed the point. There should be no protests outside politician's homes. It's pure thuggery by stupid idiots. There is no excuse for it. No excuse whatsoever. Zero.

irishproduce

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122101431#Comment_122101431

I think you might be shocked to find that the "facilitators" on this side are ngos completely acting contrary to the well-being of the state while taking a wage and pension build up

Jack Daw

For people who are in favour of mass immigration to Ireland can you please give a limit to how many more we take in.

1 Million, 2 , million, 5 million or more perhaps and what our population should be in 10 years time?

Unless you are able to answer this question then you really aren't being honest enough to have an opinion.

I think we should be targeting that our population does not exceed 5.5 million by 2035 and with it never being allowed to exceed 6 million.

My opinion is that we should allow legal immigration based on skilled labourers who apply for work permits etc from outside the EU and allow freedom of movement as it always has been within the EU but rules should be changed that they cannot claim any social welfare until they have had at least 3 years of full employment (this means you only attract skilled people who are a real asset to the country), we should also allow genuine refugees from war torn countries on temporary visas (with the aim that most will be going home to rebuild their countries once the war is over) and allowing a small number who really want to stay to claim citizenship eventually i.e people with young families who've grown up here during their exile . Anyone who does not have ID on arrival should be immediately arrested and either sent back on the next flight from the destination they flew in from or held in prison until they are deported.

I suspect my views probably align with the majority of people in this country and are the sorts of rules that exist in lots of countries around the world.

emo72

I suppose we could just concrete the entire country and build megacity towers. It's basically what the left are asking for. Fill the entire place up. But does that sound like a country you would like to live in?

Jeff2

These are the people that are coming here. 7 year old girl killed on a boat setting out from France when a load of others jumped on and she died.

In this clip they cut the sound where is says family from Iraq lived in Belgium where she was born then moved to Sweden then traveled to France (all safe countrys traveled ) to get a boat to the UK.

They lived at least 7 + years in safe Europe countries. Why the move to the UK after that in a dinghy from France.?

The father who would risk his family lives to get to UK and the gang that would jump on a boat and cause the death of a child in order to get what they want.

https://news.sky.com/video/7-year-old-sara-alhashimi-has-been-buried-in-lille-france-after-she-suffocated-on-a-boat-attempting-to-cross-the-english-channel-13130718

BlueSkyDreams

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105272#Comment_122105272

We will be at 5.5 million in 2 years. Already past 5.35 million.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105088#Comment_122105088

France is never going to agree to be the holding place for possibly millions of refugees lol

eggy81

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122104894#Comment_122104894

it’s a crime now to bear the flag sure. Rabid nationalists. Grrr 😡

Thelonious Monk

https://twitter.com/DJ_Dermo07/status/1787591310041342174

footage of the patriots from earlier, how many does that look like? 500? 1000? O Connell St footage looks like more.

Jeff2

Can't wait for the far left to answer why they didn't turn up yesterday.

Were Paul's gang to busy at home home washing their prone babies.

tarvis

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105345#Comment_122105345

The family were not granted asylum in any of the countries in which they lived, including Belgium where the little girl was born. They were recently threatened with deportation back to Iraq and the father was desperate to continue his children’s education in Europe. Seems all asylum systems are as disorganised as ours and migrants are caught in the mess for years on end. No sense of urgency at all with peoples lives put on hold - disinterest.? apathy? Inertia?

prunudo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105439#Comment_122105439

yeah, have seen clips from O'Connell St and it seemed more than in that drone shot.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105606#Comment_122105606

I think this will be very much like the Irish Water situation where there were protests and some very large ones but an even bigger number just refused to engage or register with them.

In this case I think their views will be reflected in the upcoming local/Euro elections

Packrat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105695#Comment_122105695

Difference with the water protests was that some of us could see (correctly) that a water charge of some sort was needed. I couldn't support them given that I pay for my own well, pumps, storage and the considerable cost of filtering.

This is nothing like the water charges. This affects everyone except Banty and his like negatively. This is the end of our country as anything but a 3rd world sh1thole if it isn't stopped.

Will0483

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105573#Comment_122105573

If they were not granted asylum, they should all have been deported. Instead, the parcel was passed and another EU member state has to waste yet more taxpayer money on feeding and accomodating the entire family and then waste resources on processing their application.

In reality, at these cost levels even the richest member states would be bankrupted at even low hundred thousands of illegal immigrants. That will put a natural brake on the process especially with the growing cost of an ageing population.

Asylum seekers and their offspring in future will continue to be a huge drain on the public purse so will be unaffordable. They also can't vote so only a crazy politician would prioritise them over their electorate.

As this debate proves, there isn't even one single coherent argument in favour of increased 3rd world migration. In hundreds of pages here, I haven't heard one anyway.

Blind As A Bat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122102976#Comment_122102976

There is no true surplus in the budget. A surplus exists when you've met all your expenses adequately and have money left over. The 'surplus' exists because the government doesn't spend the necessary funds on basic things like health, education, housing and infrastructure. It's like an old miser hoarding cash under the floorboards while the roof of the house falls in.

_Kaiser_

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105699#Comment_122105699

Without derailing the topic completely, water was already being paid for via general taxation and I believe some of the motor tax take (I stand to be corrected on the latter - it's been a while!)

What you are talking about is generally rural or one off housing where it's not economical to have a mains connection, and so residents have to indeed pay for their own supply - however, against that you generally have a bigger property, more land, less neighbours or traffic, lower comparative purchase costs etc.

The water charge protests were a reflection/protest of the complete farce that was the write offs, the O'Brien involvement, the arrogance from Hogan and others, the waste in the setup, the forcing of meters on residents with Garda escorts etc.

They were rightly defeated in an almost unknown showing of solidarity and civic responsibility of engaging with the process and letting the politicians know exactly where people stood.

Like then, it was ignored and steamrolled on by the Government (many of whose members are still in Government now) until it became untenable, but we're rapidly approaching the same tipping point on this issue as we'll see in the next few weeks I reckon.

riddles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105699#Comment_122105699

most people could see the need for water charges but not a quango like Irish water. A bit like most people can see the difference between an asylum seeker and an economic migrant - the later being a cuckoo supported and encouraged by quangos on the behest of a few in the know beneficiaries.

Kermit.de.frog

Not good for us being mentioned in so many articles in the UK media as a means of onward progression

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/07/asylum-seekers-hide-or-flee-to-ireland-to-avoid-uk-rwanda-detentions

Bobtheman

Can anybody tell me how to stop notifications on this thread?

Northernlily

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122105771#Comment_122105771

The Tories are really going for the jugular with this.

They want those images of increaeingly sprawling tent cities around Dublin. They will play very well with the electorate.