Parking Ticket Appeal

ConorC1

Any grounds to appeal a parking ticket when the pay and display sign was on the other side of the road to where I parked? On street view below you can see the sign is on the left. I was parked on the right and there is no sign there. I stupidly didn't buy a pay and display ticket

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2701234,-9.0621369,3a,75y,260.24h,72.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sX22h9MwTyXAcCaXbgt6evQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!5m1!1e1

Hobgoblin11

those white lines looks very pay and display

wench

If you change the street view to 2009, there used to be a sign on that side too.

chunkylover4

Not a ground to appeal

Spook_ie

Put in an appeal anyway, I did once for a ticket I received in Dundalk where a loading bay sign was missing from one end, so not able to tell where the parking ended and the loading bay began. It was successful based on missing signage.

Also it didn't cost me anything to appeal. ( Years ago mind! )

cml387

I was going to say that one would assume that pay and display applied to both sides by default, but I was in Dungarvan once and told that on one street only one side had a pay and display requirement. So I'd try.

davetherave

Not a lawyer but looking through the Galway City Council parking byelaws

https://www.galwaycity.ie/bye-laws

Under definitions they have -

“Ticket Parking Place” means a place on a public road or a car park where traffic sign or signs No. RRM 011, RRM 012, RRM 013, RRM 014, No.RRM 016 and or RUS 018 authorised by the Signs Regulations of 1997 together with an accompanying information plate(s) indicates or indicate that parking of vehicles is subject to the exhibition of a Valid Pay and Display Parking Ticket

From the Google Streetview images they have used RRM 016 ground markings ( Parallel Parking - Continuous parking, not marked into individual bays, RRM 016)

The Department of Transport Traffic Signs Manual Chapter Seven covers Road Markings

https://assets.gov.ie/21647/97642d8c44454b2da7cd6a95c04dbce1.PDF

7.6.8 In all cases, two continuous terminal markings 100mm apart indicate the limits of the length of road reserved for vehicle parking. A single continuous transverse line should be used to mark the ends of individual parking spaces (RRM 011 and RRM 012). Where individual bays are not demarcated (RRM 016) a continuous longitudinal line marks the outer edge of the parking area. Where appropriate, parking signs (RUS 018 and/or RUS 019) should be mounted at the kerbside to indicate the extents and periods during which parking is permitted and/or prohibited.

If there is no accompanying information plate alongside the road markings is it still valid?

hullaballoo

As above, there's little to lose putting in an appeal. It might not be overturned but there's at least a stateable ground that there was no signage indicating that side was also pay and display.

Victor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119974787#Comment_119974787

Road markings probably are signage. https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1997/si/181/made/en/print

joeguevara

The arrows on the sign either side of the P indicate that it’s paid parking fro, the left oh the pole and the right of the pole. Location of Manchin is irrelevant

apologies. You were on the other side.

ConorC1

Put in an appeal and it was rejected! They sent me back a picture of my car with the pay and display sign in the background. Albeit on the other side of the road !

Victor

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119991216#Comment_119991216

You are entitled to appeal further.

If the appeal you just received back was decided by the clamping operator, you can appeal to the council.

If the appeal you just received back was decided by the council, you can go to the National Transport Authority. https://www.nationaltransport.ie/vehicle-clamping-regulation/

Where you may get stuck is the road markings.

ConorC1

It's €40 (well probably gone up to €60 by now) so i might just suck it up and pay. It was a pay and display ticket not a clamp

hullaballoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119991590#Comment_119991590

The clock should stop for the duration of any appeal. As in if you've 28 days to pay but put in an appeal after 11 days, you'd still have 17 days left after the outcome. If you get another appeal in, it will stop the clock again.

Obviously it's time/effort for you to appeal and it's for you to judge whether it's a justifiable way to spend your time/effort but if it was me I'd chance my arm on the off chance I might get the benefit of the doubt. If not, you should be able to still pay the €40.

ConorC1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119992086#Comment_119992086

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119991216#Comment_119991216

^^^

hullaballoo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119994654#Comment_119994654

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119991356#Comment_119991356

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119992086#Comment_119992086

^^^^

ConorC1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119992086#Comment_119992086

Fine has gone to €60. Was informed the clock doesn't stop during the appeal process as well. This seems very unfair given that appeals take 7 to 10 working days. Nearly as if they are doing it intentionally to make more €€

kennethsmyth

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120017223#Comment_120017223

Then keep going, its worth appealing now even more. The fact the photo was of your car with the sign on the other side of the road means they knew there was an issue. Look up Joe Lycett and how he appealed - this smacks of that scenario. :)