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Mad rush into computerisation of life

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  • 06-11-2022 5:12pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭


    The rush to computerise everything in life is a danger to civilization. Not the just the danger of the possibility of a sentient AI taking over from ourselves but at a lower level too.

    Banking. What happens when there are few humans left to deal with issues. When the systems go down.

    Huge data on us all, kept by multinationals and Governments. Could be turned against us.

    Dating etc. Even this is online. What happenned to the old time honoured way of couples drinking enough to find each other attractive in pubs and clubs? What is online sex anyway?

    Young disconnecting from the real world and living online. I see youngsters with no real interest in life outside their phone/computers. What happenned to driving powerful cars and doing things like shooting, fishing etc for real..

    See below


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  • Registered Users Posts: 24,957 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    Computers / technology are not the problem..

    the levels of automation however introduced by business are however.

    i guarantee that within the next 50 years you’ll be able to apply for a mortgage without walking into a bank.

    i know two businesses who don’t accept cash. I’m a client of one. Save thousands a year in insurance, handling charges, banking charges.



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    We are seeing the beginning of the results of greater AI capabilities right right with Musk culling half his Twitter employees, other tech companies having culls too. AI can do lots of jobs like coding for tasks, with a lesser number of human masters ensuring the bots are working and learning to be better bots.

    Take information security, an area I’m studying as a pastime (retired), an awful lot of tools learned and used by cybersecurity professionals are becoming less relevant with AI bots intervening, therefore infosec is going to have to be increasingly dealt with by counter-intelligent-bots.

    People with an understanding of AI and Machine Learning will be the people most in demand. In other words people who make other people’s jobs less relevant, but that’s always been the case with industrial development and “civilisation”.

    Yes indeed, very much “socialisation” is conducted online in spite of our enhanced modes of transport to get to one another physically. The trend of working from home means you rarely get to interact socially with colleagues, and naturally once people have learned to enjoy the comforts of wfh since the pandemic, there’s no going back. People just don’t want to re-experience the get up very early and the commute, hard to blame them. WFH might be great in many levels but not psychologically healthy for those living alone / in isolation.

    Then jobs which require the presence of workers in the workplace are becoming ever harder to fill, especially hospitality; and transport companies are looking for vehicle drivers, Irish based health services are caving in with workers preferring the comforts of better conditions, accommodation with likes of swimming pool & sunnier climate.

    Online sex, btw, is an awkward play of exchanging intimate pictures, usually initiated by a man proudly showing you his appendage and w*n*ing by video call. Sure that bates Banagher!



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Away from home recently and my bank card and phone didn't work for some reason. Just as well I had old fashioned cash on me for the day. Imagine when some huge sun storm knocks out half the systems on the planet some day. As in..

    'The Carrington Event was the most intense geomagnetic storm in recorded history, peaking from 1 to 2 September 1859 during solar cycle 10. It created strong auroral displays that were reported globally and caused sparking and even fires in multiple telegraph stations.

    Dissipated: 2 September 1859

    Formed: 1 September 1859

    Damage: Severe damage to telegraph stations'



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    When I had a mortgage decades ago I did not go near a bank. There was no problem.. way back in the mid 80s..I live cashless now. Great ..



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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,832 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I'll have no megaphone and must scream.



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    Science and technology progress has been advancing geometrically during the 20th and into the 21st centuries. Quantum theory and technology, as well General AI programming exemplifies such extraordinary changes affecting us all. “We live during interesting times.”



  • Registered Users Posts: 7,747 ✭✭✭growleaves


    A sentient AI will not come about, except perhaps as a fake/fraud that can ape sentience.

    No one can create consciousness. Tinkering with machine learning for a thousand years will not bring you any closer to creating consciousness. (Your attitude to this whether you think this is possible may be an outcome of your baseline metaphysical assumptions).

    I'd be worried that AI will be the vehicle and overseer for a rigid bureaucracy. Put in motion by (deeply flawed) human beings and allowed to run.

    Though I find machine learning fascinating.

    Generally I tend to agree that technology is mostly a negative in terms of alienation.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,843 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Still if it fakes it really well could we ever be sure it isn't sentient?



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    Turing test it? Can the test results for a future general AI differentiate between what would be expected of a representative sample of the human population? Given the results of a mob of humans playing simple minded follow-the-leader Trump when storming the US Capitol 6 January 2021, makes me wonder if the future general AI program may make more rational, continuous program learning decisions than Gustave Le Bon’s crowd (The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind)? Then again, the future general AI may fail the future Turing test because its results were more rational than the human mob?



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