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Should President Biden meet Putin?

  • 11-10-2022 10:18pm
    Registered Users Posts: 14,905 ✭✭✭✭AMKC

    My own opinion is no at least not untill Putin either calls back his army or stops firing missiles at Ukraine for more than a week. Then maybe he could consider it but even at that it would be like when Trump met Ching quan q or whatever the North Korean leaders name is.

    Live long and Prosper

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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen

    Yes, he should.

    On the condition that Putin gets the f*ck out of Ukraine.

  • Registered Users Posts: 996 ✭✭✭Sandor Clegane

    What would be the point? Russia have turned themselves into a pariah state under Putin, Russia should only be entertained now if they decide to cop on, but the only realistic way of that happening is with Putin gone, but if and when that'll happen is anyone's guess.

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,220 ✭✭✭Shoog

    The mistake the west made was helping to create the conditions that allowed Putin to come to power. They should not talk to him because to do so would offer legitimacy to his approach to statecraft.

    Only when the Russian people depose Putin should the west re-engage with Russia, and at that point they would do well to not repeat the same mistakes as they did at the end of the Soviet era. All of our security depends on Russia been a viable and functional nation and only the west can help to make that happen.

  • Registered Users Posts: 23,248 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34

    Why are you asking?

    There is currently no basis for a meeting of those two men, no reason at all.

    Anyone who meets Putin as an equal, endorses him. It goes for Xi, Modi, Erdoğan, Imran Khan, Orban, all those d*ickheads.

    The only message Putin needs to understand from the West, is that NATO are going to support Ukraine until they win. And if Putin tries to expand the conflict, into Central Europe, Scandinavia, Moldova, the Balkans, the Middle East - wherever, NATO will vaporise him, his Capital and all his military forces.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22

    what i would like to see is a high profile US politician go to kiev.

    for example, if biden rocked up in kiev tomorrow, the russian bombardment would stop. 100% instantly, i have no doubt.

    so should he meet putin? possibly, knowing diplomacy is always better.

    russia do have the leverage of knowing NATO will never let ukraine join, so thats an issue

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  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ Jazlynn Thousands Deer

    Why is it an issue ? most Europeans couldn't give a sh1t about Ukraine especially now with the economy going to Sh1t and they with their own problems.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22

    i agree that europenas (for the most part) dont actually give a ****. just once we're grand and the gas keeps coming.

    why is it an issue? cos if ukraine join nato, the defense pact means the rest of nato have to step in:

    collective defence means that an attack against one Ally is considered as an attack against all Allies.

    hence why, let ukraine burn. i will need to read more into it but i was under the impression that there was a treaty that nato would not expand east.

  • Registered Users Posts: 15,073 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22

    you could well be right, hence why i said i would need to read into it more.

    there will have been clearly defined treaties after the fall of the USSR. common sense dictates that, 2 nuke powers measuring dicks, horny to offload.

    the attitude cant have'll be grand? lets just let metallica play and it'll be grand.

    maybe i'm being naïve here

  • Registered Users Posts: 24,053 ✭✭✭✭Strumms

    You can’t negotiate with crazy or evil. As regards Putin, he has both and both are in spades..

    a quote from the beginning of the invasion by Putin..

    ”consequences greater than any you have faced in history” ….as relates to the result of any interference from the west, this was the speech he made in February.

    that very statement alone takes negotiations off the table… basically you can’t trust crazy and he certainly is that and some. He is mad.. bonkers… evil and dangerous. Why talk when he simply cannot be trusted ? You can only be reasonable with reasonable people.

    Russia should be annexed. As long as they are posing a threat to Europe. Not a single Russia citizen should be allowed into the EU, for work, for any reason.. to be honest if the British, US, France, Germany (ohh so quiet, hmm) could just get together and level Russia to ash tomorrow…why not ? Russia threaten the US, the EU… why not take that threat at face value ? “ he won’t do it ! “ he will if he needs to. There maybe some posturing, crazy bravado and just overall crazy… look what he’s doing to the Ukraine, so it’s not a threat, he just doesn’t want the EU on his borders / doorstep. A country taking a democratic political step towards the EU and it’s such a threat he invades.

    what’s the endgame ?

    As of 26 July 2022, around five months after the beginning of the war, around 10 million border crossings from Ukraine had been recorded, and over six million individual refugees from Ukraine had been registered across Europe, according to UN ‘estimates’..plenty more now…

    so what does Biden or any politician or politicians, say to a guy like Putin ? Fûck all in my opinion, because there is NOTHING you can do or say, you cannot negotiate with crazy, you just can’t.

    how does this end ? Does is get worse before it gets better, more violence, nuclear escalation ? What ?

    picking up the phone won’t do jack… no way an in person because there is zero trust.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭EOQRTL

    Yes. There's no blood thicker than ink. The risk of nuclear war is too high not to at least make the effort to talk Putin down off the edge.

  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink

    They'd give a shít when putin, who after finishing off Ukraine rebuilds his military, gets bored and starts rolling into Europe, for the craic as it were.

    Appeasement didn't work in 1938, and it ain't gonna work now....

    Biden meeting putin only gives him PR oxygen.

  • Registered Users Posts: 38,827 ✭✭✭✭Gatling

    No .

    Some say that a Toyota Hilux can travel through tunnels ......

  • Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭ Jazlynn Thousands Deer

    Biden is a dangerous fool, the whole Biden Admin and democratic party, they're more interested in starting wars and creating division in their own country, calling Trump supporters terrorists was just insane.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,184 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith

  • Registered Users Posts: 14,905 ✭✭✭✭AMKC

    needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, you know, how bad does energy costs have to get or how many businesses will have to close before we realise funding the war machine to keep it going was a mistake ?

    If the EU hadn't got involved or the US it would have ended ages ago.

    Biden should crawl under whatever rock he came from, useless senile prick warmonger, a Man that in 2 years has messed up his own country that will take probably decades to fix and turning Americans against each other is pitiful to watch and Kamala is a useless cackling fool.

    Eh no it was Trump that messed up America and turned Americans against each other not Biden.

    Kamala is very clever. She does not come into the limelight unless she needs to she is very careful in what she says and she could very well be the next president of the USA and the first Female president and about time too.

    Biden is doing what he needs to do. He is a clever president not causing devision or hurt or saying people should drink something that could kill them like Trump said when he said what if people just drink dettol remember that? , and some people mostly Trump supporters did so no great loss. They were actually stupid enough to believe Trump and do it.

    Live long and Prosper

    Peace and long life.

  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 36,184 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha

    Trumpster nonsense. How many wars has Biden started?

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith

  • Registered Users Posts: 3,934 ✭✭✭joseywhales

    Does the us set the price of LNG? Isn't it sold by corporations? Is the nationality of the corporation relevant?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,541 ✭✭✭Rawr

    Biden should certainly meet accept the unconditional surrender of Putin himself and every other monstrous f*ckwit responsible for this disaster, to be handed to the ICC to answer for their crimes.

    I would be fine with that kind of meeting.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones

    Why would Putin want to meet Biden though?

  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink

    Legitimatizes his status on the world stage, the same reason Kim was desperate to meet that orange gimp Trump.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones

    He is already well established and legitimised on the world stage without meeting Biden.

    I doubt he gives a fiddlers about Biden. He will still be there after Biden has moved on just like the few before him.

    Dictator Kim is firing rockets over Japan these days. Someone should do something about that

  • Registered Users Posts: 78,847 ✭✭✭✭Overheal

    Legitimized by who? What allies have they made this year? What bridges have they extended?

  • Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭DLink

    Putin's reputation is in tatters.... he's lost all credibility in the West, he had to apologise to the Chinese (or at least eat a bit of humble pie), and who knows what the Indians think of him, maybe the "Cheap Petrol Man"?

    That accounts for a huge chunk of the world's wealth, the most influential countries and certainly a huge chunk of the world population, he needs to try and maintain his status somehow, talking with the USA would help with that.

    Be interesting to see what russian state propaganda makes of talks / no talks.

  • Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭Tonesjones

    He's essentially at war with the west. His military is fighting an army that is being supplied and funded by the west.

    Meeting Biden for anything diplomatic is nonsense.

    He is more likely to drop a Tzar bomba on Kiev than go meet Joe

  • Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 73,486 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty

    Hailee Many Quadrilateral threadbanned

  • Registered Users Posts: 19,500 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha

    Yes there were indeed nuclear treaties post USSR, here is the one between Ukraine and Russia

    In 1996 Ukraine handed over nuclear weapons to Russia "in exchange for a guarantee never to be threatened or invaded".

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  • Registered Users Posts: 288 ✭✭JL555

    Yes, absolutely diplomacy is better than death. They need to meet on an equal level, leader to leader and not pontificate to each other. Start finding middle ground or this thing will go on for years.