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Advanced Skills training

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  • 31-07-2022 9:34pm
    #1
    abmoto
    Registered Users Posts: 35 ✭


    Looking for information to guide me toward getting advanced rider training certifications. (ROSPA etc.)

    Any information or pointers to whom I can speak regarding these would be most welcome.

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    Esel
    Registered Users Posts: 22,035 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Have you got the Motorcraft book?

    Not your ornery onager



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    abmoto
    Registered Users Posts: 35 ✭abmoto


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119413636#Comment_119413636

    Tried to google that, but did not find anything relevant to motorcycling mostly Ford Motorcraft stuff.

    Not sure what book this is.



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    Bluefoam
    Registered Users Posts: 7,717 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119413664#Comment_119413664

    https://www.bookdepository.com/Motorcycle-roadcraft-Penny-Mares/9780117083790?redirected=true&utm_medium=Google&utm_campaign=Base1&utm_source=IE&utm_content=Motorcycle-roadcraft&selectCurrency=EUR&w=AFFPAU99T2L305A8VTQJ&gclid=Cj0KCQjw0JiXBhCFARIsAOSAKqCA1f_BIx4E5km4Wr_7u4YTprcipyOJ4dCPCyMBLPyf16QHU_X-16caAizyEALw_wcB



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    Esel
    Registered Users Posts: 22,035 ✭✭✭✭Esel


    Yeah, sorry got the name wrong. Great book, a 'must have' imo.

    Should be available in Eason and other big bookshops.

    Not your ornery onager



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    abmoto
    Registered Users Posts: 35 ✭abmoto


    Thank you. I just bought the Kindle version.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119413676#Comment_119413676




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    lennymc
    Registered Users Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭lennymc


    practice the system from the book, and practice some more. You can get assessments done where an assessor will point out any areas of concern in advance of an actual test. The test itself, you will meet a tester (i met a lad in templogue i think) who will ask you about your bike, pre ride checks, etc. He will be trying to get an overall picture of you and your bike - wear proper gear, high viz etc. Then he will take you out for a route, and will talk you through where he wants you to go. The route was about 40 minutes iirc, with all sorts of roads, and some sheep hazards :)

    I enjoyed it, and most importantly, some of the things I learned in the system kept me safe over the years. ENjoy!



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    abmoto
    Registered Users Posts: 35 ✭abmoto


    Yes, I have started reading through the book. Plenty to learn and it's very interesting to see some of the techniques. Maybe slightly controversial opinion but I feel it should be mandatory reading for everyone riding a motorcycle above a certain CC. :D

    also, the test you mentioned sounds fun.

    As for practice, I am in the market for a motorcycle.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119429148#Comment_119429148




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    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,081 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    If the govt were serious about motorcycle safety (instead of just taking the easy option of airing ads bashing us) they'd be at least promoting, if not subsidising, advanced training.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,081 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119431243#Comment_119431243

    It goes against "common sense" but you can splat yourself just as easily on a 50cc as on a 1000

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    abmoto
    Registered Users Posts: 35 ✭abmoto


    Lower CC is definitely more forgiving in terms of killing yourself. No harm in learning skills though.

    As for others plastering you, that I would agree is out of your hands.



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    lennymc
    Registered Users Posts: 6,458 ✭✭✭lennymc


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119441195#Comment_119441195

    I think plastering is very much in your hands - and my takeaway from the books and training was that because everyone else is a massive moron who doesnt know what they are doing, I have to use my advanced skills to avoid being plastered by anyone - regardless of actual fault.



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    blade1
    Registered Users Posts: 12,151 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119444020#Comment_119444020

    And add a bit of luck into the equation as well.

    There's been a few times I don't know how I wasn't creamed by cars nearly t-boning me.

    The thing is when they see you most of them in my experience freeze and block your escape route.



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    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,081 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Years ago on my first bike, I was first away from the lights at a crossroads. Cars behind were a bit slow to get away. No problem.

    Then a tipper truck flew through the red light and passed BEHIND me.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119441195#Comment_119441195

    As the father of a son who started biking 3 years ago on a 125, I can testify that a 125 is more dangerous on modern (non-urban) roads in particular. You are effectively a mobile road block on a bike struggling to get to 70km/h, all the while tailgated by every Youf in the county in a 2-litre VW with a pain to get past you.

    He's been on an A2 500 now for the last year and it's so much safer.

    And yes, he's had 2 x rounds of 'Advanced' training - not RoSPA yet though.

    You should contact a local RoSPA group, loads around, the communal training spins are good.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    nigeldaniel
    Registered Users Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭nigeldaniel


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119449089#Comment_119449089

    100% with this. Small bikes can be a hazard in that regard. And those yahoos in VW [dsl ones at that] who seem to be obsessed with dropping down a clog and roaring passed at every opportunity... 2 weeks ago it happened to me. I was doing 80kph in an 80kph zone and sure enough, I saw him coming up behind me and there he went zoom in a thick cloud of black smoke. that's one car that will not be worth much in a few months' time I said to myself.

    Dan.



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    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users Posts: 34,081 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    The main thing is command your lane. They can overtake all they want provided they do it on the other side of the road / adjoining lane.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    galwaytt
    Registered Users Posts: 12,761 ✭✭✭✭galwaytt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119547395#Comment_119547395


    ...that's ok to an extent on bigger stuff - smaller bikes not so much.

    Ode To The Motorist

    “And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, generates funds to the exchequer. You don't want to acknowledge that as truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at the Green Party, you want me on that road, you need me on that road. We use words like freedom, enjoyment, sport and community. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent instilling those values in our families and loved ones. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the tax revenue and the very freedom to spend it that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise I suggest you pick up a bus pass and get the ********* ********* off the road” 



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    Allwheelsgood
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭Allwheelsgood


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119441195#Comment_119441195

    Hi, If your still imterested in Advanced motorcyle training there are 2 Rospa approved groups in southern Ireland. The biggest is in Dublin and the next is Munster Riders based out of the MidWest.

    Both groups will do an assessment ride with you and recommend areas for you to work on with the help of the Police Roadcraft book.

    Usually after this if you want to take it further you will need to join one of the clubs to cover all for training insurance. After that its group rides specialising in some aspect of the book and further assessment of your riding in a constructive manner.

    If you need more info on any of the groups just PM me on here.

    And yes I am an advanced group tutor with Rospa Munster Riders bike club.

    An alternative is do individual lessons with an advanced instructor in your area and pay per lesson, this maybe more time efficient.

    Ride Safe!



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    Grumpy Bike Wizard
    Registered Users Posts: 61 ✭✭Grumpy Bike Wizard


    Can recommend Rospa IART, had a good experience with them. You can definitely do it yourself for Rospa but the group rideaouts are good and supportive and you'll get a tutor assigned who'll go for spins and give you pointers. Even if you don't get the qualification it'll make you a safer rider. Some insurers give a discount as well.



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