Devil Era or Michael Collins?

egyptiansandwitch6

Would Ireland be a more Liberal and Creative country if Michael Collins had been the Victor, a hundred years ago?

Devil Era chose to align tightly with the Vatican, as a backlash from English Church of England rule. It is almost like the "Masks" planned Irelands destiny to be an example of how Roman Catholics could rule a country, with beatings and abuse (Priests) to keep the Roman Empire in check.

The "Masks" are very clever on how they name people and places, who are very important to their future (Destiny) plans. Open your eyes, and see how things are named by those who get to say!

Devil Era chose Roman Empire rule over British Empire rule. De Valera refused to state that he did not support the Nazis, and there Irelands dubious "Neutrality" status was created. Devil Era was not against the idea of Ireland being taken over by the Nazis.

Effects

Why can't you just use his actual name?

Notmything

Why is everything with you about the Catholic church and the Roman empire?

egyptiansandwitch6

Apologies, the Auto-Complete changed the name from "de Valera" to "Devil Era".

But well spotted, in the importance of the details in a worded name. Didn't Shakespeare say,

"What's in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet"

But of course, Shakespeare was onto the "Masks" coding mechanism in Names, even back then.

Gregor Samsa

Devil Era

Eejit-Shone Sand-Witch Socks.

Conall Cernach

Well, for over the first decade of its existence the Irish Free State was ruled by Collins' party so the whole church and state foundation was already well laid down by the time DeValera got in power. For the first 5 years of the state he didn't even sit in Leinster House.

Anyway, as a Republican, I view them both as traitors.

dxhound2005

De Valera's government interned the IRA leaders, and executed IRA men for their crimes during WW2. It was the IRA who were colluding with Hitler to set up a quisling Nazi government here. I remember Protestant neighbours who voted for him as President later on, because of his strong actions against the IRA Nazi sympathisers.

Tiger20

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118746873#Comment_118746873

If you view them as traitors, then you don’t know your history

egyptiansandwitch6

It doesn't seem so relevant which party was in power, the Catholic Church in Rome dictated the writing of the Irish Constitution.

Eucharistic meetings between de Valera and the Clergy, drafts of the Constitution sent back and forth to the Vatican for approval by Rome.

Constance Markiewicz was the person that've have brought about a liberal Ireland.

On the question at hand...Collins couldn't have been any worse than de Valera.

egyptiansandwitch6

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747049#Comment_118747049

Any more details on either of these statements, which back up your line of thought?

My original thread was about Irelands delusion that they were a free state, and had not switched from British rule to Rome/Vatican rule. It was more a conceptual overview, rather details about each character in 1922.

"Collins vs de Valera" was a "Nature vs Nurture" argument.

egyptiansandwitch6

ROMAN CORE:

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There is an interesting flower arrangement in St Stephens Green Park, red flowers circle in the centre, with green on the periphery.

Similar to the Irish establishment and Institutions setup at the forming of the Irish state.

The red core is the "Roman Rule" which dictates everything outwards...

egyptiansandwitch6

Has anyone ever noticed the colouring scheme used in the flags of the world?

Red - Roman Family/Church (Nurture)

Orange - "We", loyal to the Red

Green - "me", (Nature)

Blue - Individual (Stars)

Jim2007

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747162#Comment_118747162

You show a complete lack of knowledge on the topic, so it might be a really good idea to go and educate yourself on the topic before starting....

Nobody but you was or is under any illusions about the status of the Free State. The Free State was a dominion, it's parliament was subservient to the parliament of Westminster etc... and all of this was on display to the Irish people. Now I knew several of the men who took part in the War of Independence and none of them were under any illusions as to what had been achieved.

As for Collins vs deValera you can't put thoughts and words into dead men's heads, you did not know them, you have no idea how the events of the last 100 years would have influenced their thinking or strategies so it is absolutely pointless claiming they'd do this that or the other. They were of their times and we are off ours and anyone claiming to know who historical figures would act are just embarrassing themselves.

For all any of us know, Collin's continued support and resupply of northern units might have resulted in British troops returning, both Collins and deValera could have been shot by firing squad and Ireland today would be part of Great Britain. It is just pure speculation best discuss in somewhere like the conspiracy forums.

This is just nonsense, you might as well be arguing of the length of a piece of string...

buried

Pretty irrelevant discussion when everything in the western world has been handed over to other corporations, global finance, the hedge and cuckoo funds, and anything else that wanted to get their greasy hands on it anyways.

daheff

Devil Era 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Vita nova

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118747286#Comment_118747286

Winston Churchill who was no fan of Eamon de Valera used to intentionally mispronounce his name as Devil Éire.

egyptiansandwitch6

I wasn't trying to slur Irelands founding father's though, more pointing out the control Rome and the Catholic Church had in the new state, "Masks" Nostradamus naming etc.

"Devil Era" refers to the 100 years of misery for most Irish people under the control of Priests etc.

And as everyone knows the Devil Octavian sits at the base of the Catholic Church tree, with Nature on the left and Nurture and Nurtures son on the right.

In my view, there is a red inner circle in Irelands Institutions, that reports to Rome, and implements their Nurture policies.

egyptiansandwitch6

"Lake Garda" report directly to Rome

NedsNotDead

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118752606#Comment_118752606

In terms of a trolling effort I'll give you 3. I feel you could do much better

Mad_maxx

I only learned recently that their was a plebiscite on the Treaty , apparently the electorate voted in favour of the treaty , this reflects extremely badly on Dev

he was a dreadful leader even apart from that , he espoused righteous poverty for the people of Ireland , we only began to open up when he left

up there with the worst leader we have had

Ten of Swords

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