Communication directly with the Department of Justice Vs local district police office?

As a musing I'm curious as to whether this method/route is ever taken;

I've had issues arise in the past I attempted to speak with local law enforcement about but, I understand you're essentially dealing with local beat police.

When it comes to more complicated matters of law enforcement they simply take orders from higher ups and follow protocol.

I'm talking about national policy in many respects - I mean that's not something you're going to take up with your local garda.

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The "higher ups" being Helen McEntee and the department of justice.

I'm very aware that passing national policy adheres to a group-consent procedure via Dial-Eireann but the propositions are managed largely by the former.

I think most recently there was a strong push/drive via many female ministers, Helen, Francis Fitzgerald, Jennifer Carroll McNeill in relation to online circulation of malicious content, privately made videos used to "dox" etc.

Something which has in fact come to pass in law currently as I understand?

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I mean you show up at your local law office and raise something like that, they deal with a lot of crap and given my experience, it's not the type of thing they're going to really pay attention to.

Writing into the department of justice directly, is that something that's done?

Or writing to a minister specifically?

They mention on social media that both they and their office are open for communication in relation that which may fall under their remit;

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holly_johnson

I'm not entirely clear what it is that you're asking for, but if you want a specific issue considered by Dept Justice, then write to the Minister.

If it's a Garda issue then maybe Commissioner Carey. If it's a complaint, then maybe the Garda Ombudsman. If it's a policy matter, then maybe D/Justice. Minister McEntee's office will divert the query to the relevant section. As a person who gets those kind of letters, my advice is to be specific and dispassionate so it can find the right home and get a meaningful reply.

Certainly we call them police, definitely

Pronto63

Not sure if this answers your question.

The Oireachtas make the laws / the guards (AGS) enforce them.

If AGS are not taking a matter/crime seriously it isn’t a matter for the Minister. You should contact the ombudsman.

Caranica

Firstly only two of the three women you mention are/have been ministers. J C-McN certainly has not been (and hopefully will never be).

Ministers won't comment on or interfere with individual cases. Their job is policy and legislation.

Be aware too that ministers have two offices, political and ministerial. Their political (Oireachtas/constituency) offices have no input into Department issues.

Peregrinus

I think, before we can suggest who you should talk to, we need to know what you want to achieve. A change in the law? More money/resources/official attention to a particular policy issue? More rapid and effective investigation of a complaint that you have made? Something else?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118354622#Comment_118354622

All of the above really.

i.e. those things that would most certainly not get managed on a non executive level.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118354391#Comment_118354391

You mean to say how Josepha Madigan is TD for Dun Laoghaire, but minister for I think special education - obviously you don't want to be writing to the Dun Laoghaire constituency office for matters relating to national policy (department issue).

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118354389#Comment_118354389

Sure;

I don't intend to slate AGS but they're essentially "grunts" to the policy makers.

So yeah first at a level of national policy (hypothetically), and TBH it would be my input into a current hotly debated political topic.

I'd just like to have my say as to an issue that affects me personally, I guess writing into a department, surely if correspondence was well drafted and contained valid contentions etc they'd consider it?

Policy is driven by the government and the legislature (Houses of the Oireachtas).

If you want to discuss policy changes, your best option is to talk to your local TDs.

TDs are your reps and will put the point to the minister, the appropriate committees or raise it on the floor of the house.

If you write to the minister yourself, you’ll also likely get a reply, but you ideally need to raise local issues with your reps and you’ll have several of them from different parties - we’ve multi seat constituencies. So just raise it with all of them.

If you’ve good point to make, TDs will generally make sure it’s put to the right Minister or departmental officials.

Just drop them an email.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118362326#Comment_118362326

I know some of my local TD's and they're clowns.

I wouldn't even consider raising such issues with them.

The nature of what I'd like to address would absolutely need to be managed in an executive manner with the utmost seriousness.

And TBH if it were taken seriously, resultant policy reform would probably shake historical Irish culture to its very core;

Local TD's wouldn't have the competency to manage such things.

Well if you want to write to the Minister for Justice, there’s no reason why not. Their office is always happy to accept correspondence. Email addresses are all on their website.

If you’ve a complaint about the Gardai, you should probably look at their complaints procedure and GSOC.

You’re being very quick to write off your TDs though. Ultimately they’re representing your constituency.

Between calling people “grunts” and “clowns” I’m not really sure what else I can advice you. The channels of communication are there and open.

Caranica

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118362294#Comment_118362294

Given her constituency is Dublin Rathdown (formerly Dublin South) you'd be wrong once again. Dun Laoghaire is an entirely different constituency. You seem rather confused when it comes to politicians?

If contacting a Minister about department issues use the contact information on their department website. Different postal address, email address and contact numbers from their constituency offices.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118362764#Comment_118362764

Really?

I'm "wrong" cause a slight mix up with an adjacent location?

Not to mention I think she spends her every waking minute in Dun Laoghaire cause every social media picture she posts sings praises of the place.

In any case I think the above is firmly covered now; department, not constituency.

Caranica

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118363134#Comment_118363134

Josepha Madigan is a TD for Dublin Rathdown, regardless of where she spends her time.

Jennifer Carroll MacNeill is a TD for Dun Laoghaire but has never been a Minister, not to mind Minister for justice.

So indeed you have been wrong, at least twice on this thread. And that's before we go near the "police" in your thread title and OP.

Details matter, especially if you're contacting officials. If you want to be taken seriously, getting it right is important.

Peregrinus

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118362314#Comment_118362314

They'd consider it, but correspondence from one person on an issue that affects them personally is a very small data point in a very large policy consideration process.

Probably the most effective thing you can do is to become active in an organisation that represents people concerned with or affected by the issue in question. Representative bodies get far more notice than individuals who want to know why their complaint about trespassers in their garden (or whatever) hasn't resulted in prosecutions and jail sentences yet. There are standing channels of communication with representative bodies that have built up credibility; they get listened to; their suggestions get more detailed and more serious consideration and a fuller response; they even get proactively consulted. In a functioning democracy, collective action is always more effective than a solo run.