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What are your thoughts on the idea of "oppression" and how it applies to culture?

  • 30-11-2021 6:07pm
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    Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Naturally most of us would revise the idea relative to Irish culture.

    But of course by global modern day standards, well we've come a long way since the RCC days, but many other cultures exhibit much greater levels of modern day oppression compared to uzzzz.

    But consider the term "culture" for a moment.

    What does it mean?

    Basically, group consciousness, communally adhered to mentality, covert and clandestine in some cases (sub cultures of hatred etc).

    Often times oppression goes hand in hand with a double standard (i.e. one practices themselves what they actively oppress in others).

    I guess an underhanded means to maintain dominance and control?

    What are your thought?



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The "oppressed", particulary the irish based ones appear to me to be some of the most privaleged people ever to walk the face of earth.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,289 ✭✭✭✭ Fr Tod Umptious




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,090 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Black Swan


    If we only single out one of many variables (conflict), it may depend upon your point of view. And if that POV is at the individual unit of analysis (eg, you), or at a larger one (eg, group, organization, nation, religion, ethnicity, population, etc).

    One of many cliches suggests one person’s terrorist is another’s freedom fighter. A contemporary example that goes back thousands of years may be exhibited by the populations in today’s Palestinian conflict. Or for hundreds of years in an area often referred to as the British Isles, depending upon which side you were on. Or in the past 5 or so years across the pond between Trumpsters and those not favoring Trump.

    Of course, there are many other ways to approach this OP.



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Well all those oppressed by microaggressions and pronouns to start with. The middle class socialist activists. The welfare class and the race baiters too.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,761 ✭✭✭ eskimohunt


    Completely right.

    There's also an element of individual choice involved here, too. When gay marriage didn't exist in this country, I didn't consider myself "oppressed", yet the community itself is considered oppressed.

    The meaning of "oppressed" has become so diluted and overused that it bears no significance to how the word was used in the past.

    That's not to say that real oppression exists in the world, but the word is often weaponised by small, vocal minorities who speak on behalf of larger communities without each of the latter's consent.

    “If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.”

    ― George Orwell



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Do we not oppress each other as humans?

    I was considering last week, what it must be like to come from welfare class.

    Don't ever have illusions of getting ahead in life, for that would upset your welfare peers, and they'll either beat you down or ostracize you for it.

    I guess the point was, we oppress each other..... do we not?

    It just takes various incarnations depending on ones "identity"?



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gender oppression?

    I shall not speak the name but one large culture is known for it.

    That being said, does female to male gender oppression exist also?

    I think we're so conditioned to the "norm" in this instance that, we can't even conceive it does.

    But alas, it does.

    Do women oppress men sexually?

    Is the idea laughable to you?



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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,797 ✭✭✭✭ Hello 2D Person Below


    I was considering last week, what it must be like to come from welfare class.


    Don't ever have illusions of getting ahead in life, for that would upset your welfare peers, and they'll either beat you down or ostracize you for it.

    What are you waffling on about?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭ Fandymo


    I don't think that is true at all. You are looking at it from the outside in. I'm from a council estate. If someone is successful and ditches their background they'll be ostracised. If they don't ditch their background they are lionised. Look at the pied piper of scauldys, Conor McGregor.

    Also, in my experience, scauldys don't think very far ahead. They aren't oppressed by the thought of wanting to get ahead, like us fools that are thinking about doing well at work and getting a promotion/raise etc. It's almost like Only Fools and Horses. They want money etc, but are hoping for a get rich quick scheme.



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    So you're disagreeing, but then outline your interpretation which in fact agrees with my contention?

    Welfare classes = it's good to be bad.

    McGregor never ditched that, and being a good fighter is perhaps the only acceptable form of progress amongst that demographic.

    Pursue something intellectual? (and embody the associated character type that facilitate intellectual development?)

    I really don't think that's as well received.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,309 ✭✭✭✭ Geuze


    "welfare class"

    What does that mean?

    Bear in mind that of the 5m population, there are 2 million recipients of welfare in Ireland, and over 3 million beneficiaries.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,953 ✭✭✭ Fandymo


    It’s doesn’t though. I’m quite successful compared to my peers growing up, because I was intelligent and studied hard.

    I was at a 60th of an old neighbour 2 weekends ago and ended up back at a house party in the estate. No one thought ‘Oh here’s Fandymo, the nerd/prick’ etc or asked why I was invited back, because I’m the same with them as I was growing up. I don’t think I’m better than them or the estate and haven’t forgotten where I’m from.

    There are others from the same place as me who went to college, got new friends, changed attitude and look down their nose at where they came from. They’re the cnuts that people from estates despise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,607 ✭✭✭✭ banie01


    Agree TBH.

    I was in a coffee shop yesterday and had the misfortune to be stuck listening to 2 students 1 of whom was desperately trying to get into the others knickers...

    Discussing labour, market forces, the oppression of the proletariat and what must be done to ensure a living wage.

    He was Irish, she was a Spanish Erasmus student. Neither had seen a day's oppression in their lives but kept circling the rhetoric to ever greater revolution 🤷

    PS.

    I have a fairly good idea of their backgrounds, because I tutor them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭ Danzy


    Hopefully it paid off for him.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,607 ✭✭✭✭ banie01


    Not if my Spanish is anything to go by it didn't 😉

    She was on the phone to get GF before they left the place but?

    If he did manage to score? He is a mountain, a legend, a hero amongst men!



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭ Danzy


    Farce turned into tragedy.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,505 ✭✭✭ joseywhales


    I think what people are calling oppression now , I think of as competition. I had thought that not discriminating based on characteristics outside of the control of the individual such as race, gender, age, religion etc is the primary ethical rule for a cooperative society. However there appears it be a drive rebalance historic disadvantages. For example I gather in the us now that a white person can not be the victim of racism, it's impossible because they are structurally entitled by the colour of their skin. I cannot understand this. It is a judgement based on ones race which the individual cannot be responsible for.



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